Thread: Fix contributor name-related inconsistencies in release-12.sgml
Hello, While translating Release Notes for version 12 I found some inconsistencies with contributor names. 1. Constantine Kuznetsov and Konstantin Kuznetsov are the same person. 2. Sho Kato and Kato Sho too. 3. Takayuki Tsunakawa is present in the Acknowledgments, but Tsunakawa Takayuki is referred in the change list. Regarding Japanese names I found that in the Postgres documentation the given name is mostly specified first. E.g.: Daisuke Higuchi, Haruka Takatsuka, Hayato Kuroda, Hironobu Suzuki, Keiichi Hirobe, Kenji Uno,... So I would remove "Kato Sho" because "Sho" is a given name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8D_(given_name) And change "Tsunakawa Takayuki" to "Takayuki Tsunakawa" because "Takayuki" is a given name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takayuki Also, there are other names spelled in the reverse order: Fujii Masao Koizumi Satoru Matsumura Ryo So I propose a second patch to fix these names too. Best regards, Alexander
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Alexander Lakhin <exclusion@gmail.com> writes:
> While translating Release Notes for version 12 I found some
> inconsistencies with contributor names.
Proposed changes seem reasonable from here. Pushed, thanks!
regards, tom lane
On 2019-09-23 13:08, Alexander Lakhin wrote: > While translating Release Notes for version 12 I found some > inconsistencies with contributor names. > 1. Constantine Kuznetsov and Konstantin Kuznetsov are the same person. > 2. Sho Kato and Kato Sho too. > 3. Takayuki Tsunakawa is present in the Acknowledgments, but Tsunakawa > Takayuki is referred in the change list. > Regarding Japanese names I found that in the Postgres documentation the > given name is mostly specified first. E.g.: Daisuke Higuchi, Haruka > Takatsuka, Hayato Kuroda, Hironobu Suzuki, Keiichi Hirobe, Kenji Uno,... > So I would remove "Kato Sho" because "Sho" is a given name: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8D_(given_name) > And change "Tsunakawa Takayuki" to "Takayuki Tsunakawa" because > "Takayuki" is a given name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takayuki > > Also, there are other names spelled in the reverse order: > Fujii Masao > Koizumi Satoru > Matsumura Ryo > So I propose a second patch to fix these names too. We had discussed this in previous years and resolved that we use the forms that these individuals use when posting to these mailing lists, in whichever order they prefer. So as far as I'm concerned, the forms listed in the release notes for PG10 and PG11 are canonical and should continue to be used. -- Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com> writes:
> On 2019-09-23 13:08, Alexander Lakhin wrote:
>> While translating Release Notes for version 12 I found some
>> inconsistencies with contributor names.
> We had discussed this in previous years and resolved that we use the
> forms that these individuals use when posting to these mailing lists, in
> whichever order they prefer. So as far as I'm concerned, the forms
> listed in the release notes for PG10 and PG11 are canonical and should
> continue to be used.
I have no strong feelings either way, so feel free to undo whatever
you think should be undone.
I have noted that many of our Japanese contributors show a different name
order in their From: line than in their signature/footer, so it's not
entirely clear which preference they're expressing.
regards, tom lane
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 06:52:18PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > I have no strong feelings either way, so feel free to undo whatever > you think should be undone. > > I have noted that many of our Japanese contributors show a different name > order in their From: line than in their signature/footer, so it's not > entirely clear which preference they're expressing. The formal and official way is to have the family name first, and then the first name, but I agree with the approach we have to not be too formal and just list individuals based on how they present themselves in their emails. Note: there is no actual concept of middle name in Japan, which brings its own set of annoying explanations when it comes to do any kind of applications... -- Michael
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Hello,
ср, 25 сент. 2019 г., 8:10 Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 06:52:18PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> I have no strong feelings either way, so feel free to undo whatever
> you think should be undone.
>
> I have noted that many of our Japanese contributors show a different name
> order in their From: line than in their signature/footer, so it's not
> entirely clear which preference they're expressing.
The formal and official way is to have the family name first, and then
the first name, but I agree with the approach we have to not be too
formal and just list individuals based on how they present themselves
in their emails.
In fact, here in Russia the "Family-name Given-name [Patronymic-name]" order is formal and official too. And in Russian e-mail's (mostly internal, not for export) you can also encounter such a spelling. But I think it's not the matter of the person's preference, but rather the matter of "officiality", and probably, conventions accepted (maybe at the person' organization).
So if someone will change it's job or status, and will want to use more official order, I would find it rather strange to see Lasty Firsty amongst all the other Russian contributors having the given-name-first order.
Best regards,
Alexander
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 00:52 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com> writes:
> On 2019-09-23 13:08, Alexander Lakhin wrote:
>> While translating Release Notes for version 12 I found some
>> inconsistencies with contributor names.
> We had discussed this in previous years and resolved that we use the
> forms that these individuals use when posting to these mailing lists, in
> whichever order they prefer. So as far as I'm concerned, the forms
> listed in the release notes for PG10 and PG11 are canonical and should
> continue to be used.
I have no strong feelings either way, so feel free to undo whatever
you think should be undone.
I have noted that many of our Japanese contributors show a different name
order in their From: line than in their signature/footer, so it's not
entirely clear which preference they're expressing.
I would say use the one in the signature in those cases. My guess would be that that part is under control of the individual, but the from field is in control of the HR department or whomever controls the name order in the catalogs of their big company.
It's fairly common here, for example, to have "lastname, first" in the from, but nobody would use that in a scenario like this. The reason typically being wanting "phone book sorting" in the company wide address book, which does sort on lastname. As an employee people can typically control the name order in their signature, but not the address book.
The situation in Asia may of course be very different, as it often is, but I think the general rule of who controls the order where still applies.
/Magnus
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 08:13:16AM +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: > I would say use the one in the signature in those cases. My guess would be that > that part is under control of the individual, but the from field is in control > of the HR department or whomever controls the name order in the catalogs of > their big company. > > It's fairly common here, for example, to have "lastname, first" in the from, > but nobody would use that in a scenario like this. The reason typically being > wanting "phone book sorting" in the company wide address book, which does sort > on lastname. As an employee people can typically control the name order in > their signature, but not the address book. > > The situation in Asia may of course be very different, as it often is, but I > think the general rule of who controls the order where still applies. Uh, we are going to need for committers to handle this issue since it is unlikely we can research email signatures when writing the release notes. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + + Ancient Roman grave inscription +
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> Uh, we are going to need for committers to handle this issue since it is
> unlikely we can research email signatures when writing the release
> notes.
Committers are not going to handle it with any consistency either.
In the end it's going to be the job of whoever is making the
list-of-contributors at the end of a release cycle. So far that's
been Peter.
regards, tom lane