Thread: PostgreSQL MVCC and alternative REDO implementation - my thoughts

PostgreSQL MVCC and alternative REDO implementation - my thoughts

From
Gerhard Wiesinger
Date:
Hello,

I just read that blog article and I think switching to REDO logic is not 
a good idea.

REDO has the following disadvantages, think of the following scenario: 
Delete a lot of rows having 1 petabyte of data.
1.) PostgreSQL: has just do mark the rows as deleted, afterwards they 
have to be cleaned up by (auto)vacuum. No data has to be written! Will 
be quite fast.
2.) REDO logic: The deleted 1 petabyte of data (!) has to written for 
crash consistency reasons at least into REDO files. And that might take 
time, hours, days, weeks, month.

So please don't give up the implementation of PostgreSQL MVCC.
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/MVCC

What's the plan?

Thank you.

Ciao,
Gerhard


Re: PostgreSQL MVCC and alternative REDO implementation - my thoughts

From
Martín Marqués
Date:
El 18/11/18 a las 04:49, Gerhard Wiesinger escribió:
> Hello,
> 
> I just read that blog article and I think switching to REDO logic is not
> a good idea.

I think you got it the other way around. Postgres implementes REDO, that
is, move forward by REDOing the changes which are stored in WAL files

BTW, could you point us to the blog you read this?

Maybe you got REDO and UNDO mixed up.

Saludos,

-- 
Martín Marqués                http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services


Re: PostgreSQL MVCC and alternative REDO implementation - my thoughts

From
Gerhard Wiesinger
Date:
On 18.11.2018 12:14, Martín Marqués wrote:
> El 18/11/18 a las 04:49, Gerhard Wiesinger escribió:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I just read that blog article and I think switching to REDO logic is not
>> a good idea.
> I think you got it the other way around. Postgres implementes REDO, that
> is, move forward by REDOing the changes which are stored in WAL files
>
> BTW, could you point us to the blog you read this?
>
> Maybe you got REDO and UNDO mixed up.


Yes, I ment UNDO ...

Link is here:

https://severalnines.com/blog/five-cool-things-i-learned-postgresql-conference-europe-2018

sunday morning, too early :-)

Ciao,

Gerhard




Re: PostgreSQL MVCC and alternative REDO implementation - my thoughts

From
Achilleas Mantzios
Date:
On 18/11/18 2:04 μ.μ., Gerhard Wiesinger wrote:
> On 18.11.2018 12:14, Martín Marqués wrote:
>> El 18/11/18 a las 04:49, Gerhard Wiesinger escribió:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I just read that blog article and I think switching to REDO logic is 
>>> not
>>> a good idea.
>> I think you got it the other way around. Postgres implementes REDO, that
>> is, move forward by REDOing the changes which are stored in WAL files
>>
>> BTW, could you point us to the blog you read this?
>>
>> Maybe you got REDO and UNDO mixed up.
>
>
> Yes, I ment UNDO ...
>
> Link is here:
>
> https://severalnines.com/blog/five-cool-things-i-learned-postgresql-conference-europe-2018 
>
>
> sunday morning, too early :-)


In this blog I had the role of the reporter for the event :)

When and if this makes it to the core, both heaps will be supported. 
Nevertheless this sounds exciting feature to have, however lots of work 
must be done before PostgreSQL is able to adopt this in an elegant manner.


>
> Ciao,
>
> Gerhard
>
>
>