Thread: New website
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning. -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
This is more appropriately directed to pgsql-www
I cannot confirm the observed behavior only a couple minutes after receiving your initial email.
David J.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
Those links work fine for me on the new site. I haven't hit any issues yet in my casual click-testing.
Don Seiler
www.seiler.us
www.seiler.us
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: > I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant > head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have > been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve > judgment on the site design until it is functioning. I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a website design. It took years to launch this website redesign. Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen. Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git. -- Peter Geoghegan
On 04/18/2018 03:06 PM, David G. Johnston wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver > <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com <mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>>wrote: > > I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an > elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate > lands. Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for > testing first. Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is > functioning. > > > This is more appropriately directed to pgsql-www > > I cannot confirm the observed behavior only a couple minutes after > receiving your initial email. The links are working now after forcing site reload over a period of time. > > David J. > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver > <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: >> I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant >> head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have >> been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve >> judgment on the site design until it is functioning. > > I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a > website design. It took years to launch this website redesign. > Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen. See here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/survey/94-do-you-like-the-redesign-of-the-postgresqlorg-website/ > > Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo > links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many > non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main > PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at > https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git. > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver > <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: >> I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant >> head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have >> been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve >> judgment on the site design until it is functioning. > > I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a > website design. It took years to launch this website redesign. > Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen. > > Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo > links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many > non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main > PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at > https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git. > And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important links) you have to: Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll to the bottom of page to find the search box. I am one of the No votes in the survey. -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: > >> On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver >> <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: >>> I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant >>> head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have >>> been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve >>> judgment on the site design until it is functioning. >> I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a >> website design. It took years to launch this website redesign. >> Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen. >> Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo >> links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many >> non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main >> PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at >> https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git. > > And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important links) you have to: We designed the website with 3 user profiles: - New to PostgreSQL - Users - Hackers These are 3 very different experiences. It’s hard to find a balance for all of these different needs. When we analyzed the traffic we opted to make various trade offs based on what the most accessed pages. We did note that the people who need to access the mailing list archives know how to get there. The nice thing about a website is that it is easy to iterate over and we can rapidly add things in should they be necessary. > Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll to the bottom of page to find the search box. > > I am one of the No votes in the survey. I’m sorry to hear that. However based on our data we opted to focus optimizing the experience for getting people using PostgreSQL in their apps to the right places. If you have constructive feedback on how we can improve in other areas I’m happy to listen. As someone who does answer webmaster@postgresql.org feel free to reach out. Jonathan
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: > And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important > links) you have to: > > Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll > to the bottom of page to find the search box. I look at the mailing list archives as much as anyone else does, and I don't think that it's very important for it to have prominent placement. Even still, the only difference here is the scrolling. It has fundamentally the same structure as before. > I am one of the No votes in the survey. This sounds pretty far from constructive to me, which automatically detracts from what you're saying. -- Peter Geoghegan
On 04/18/2018 05:22 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > >> On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: >> >>> On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver >>> <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: >>>> I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant >>>> head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have >>>> been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve >>>> judgment on the site design until it is functioning. >>> I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a >>> website design. It took years to launch this website redesign. >>> Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen. >>> Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo >>> links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many >>> non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main >>> PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at >>> https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git. >> >> And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important links) you have to: > > We designed the website with 3 user profiles: > > - New to PostgreSQL > - Users > - Hackers > > These are 3 very different experiences. It’s hard > to find a balance for all of these different needs. > > When we analyzed the traffic we opted to make > various trade offs based on what the most > accessed pages. > > We did note that the people who need to access > the mailing list archives know how to get there. Under the old system. In the new system it took me a bunch of clicking around to find the new location. > > The nice thing about a website is that it is easy > to iterate over and we can rapidly add things in > should they be necessary. > >> Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll to the bottom of page to find the search box. >> >> I am one of the No votes in the survey. > > I’m sorry to hear that. However based on our data > we opted to focus optimizing the experience for > getting people using PostgreSQL in their apps to > the right places. If you have constructive feedback > on how we can improve in other areas I’m happy to > listen. As someone who does answer webmaster@postgresql.org feel free > to reach out. To start: Home Page Picture(its a nice picture) takes up a third page of the page to display two buttons. One Download replicates the tab just above. The second 'New to Postgrsql? replicates the section just below it. New to PostgreSQL? should be in the tabs above. Not sure why it is more important then the News buried down at the bottom: " PostgreSQL 10.3 Released! This release centers around added documentation that describes CVE-2018-1058 and how to take steps to mitigate the impact on PostgreSQL databases. There are also several bug fixes included in the release. All users using the affected versions of PostgreSQL should update as soon as possible. " Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to page that includes the archives. The acres of white space needs to be eliminated to bring information closer together and eliminate wear and tear on the scroll wheel. > > Jonathan > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On 04/18/2018 05:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Adrian Klaver > <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: >> And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important >> links) you have to: >> >> Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll >> to the bottom of page to find the search box. > > I look at the mailing list archives as much as anyone else does, and I > don't think that it's very important for it to have prominent > placement. Even still, the only difference here is the scrolling. It > has fundamentally the same structure as before. > >> I am one of the No votes in the survey. > > This sounds pretty far from constructive to me, which automatically > detracts from what you're saying. > The same could be said of a survey that only has single Yes/No question and no provision for drilling down to what works or does not work for you. At any rate see my reply to Jonathan for my initial critique. -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
Hi Adrian, I had the same problem too, but only on Chrome Regards, Enrico Il 19/04/2018 00:03, Adrian Klaver ha scritto: > I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an > elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. > Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. > Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning. > -- Enrico Pirozzi NBS Group S.r.l. via Val Tiberina 23/A 63074, San Benedetto del Tronto (AP) Tel. 0735-7626201
On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to page that includes the archives.
We’ve added a button that brings you to the archives from the homepage.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On 04/20/2018 11:33 AM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > >> On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com >> <mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>> wrote: >> >> Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to >> page that includes the archives. > > We’ve added a button that brings you to the archives from the homepage. Thanks. While we are on the subject of Mailing Lists, it would help new users if they could see the list choices and what each list covers. Basically what you see when you go to the Archive section. As it is now going here: https://lists.postgresql.org/ is a leap into the unknown:) > > Thanks, > > Jonathan > > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
> On Apr 20, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote: > > On 04/20/2018 11:33 AM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: >>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com <mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to page that includes the archives. >> We’ve added a button that brings you to the archives from the homepage. > > Thanks. > > While we are on the subject of Mailing Lists, it would help new users if they could see the list choices and what eachlist covers. Basically what you see when you go to the Archive section. As it is now going here: > > https://lists.postgresql.org/ > > is a leap into the unknown:) Yeah…this may comes as a surprise, but we’ve had some off-list discussions about that ;-) This may be something to move to -www but we now have a situation where we have information about mailing lists in 3 separate apps: pgweb pgarchives pglister In which all 3 serve different purposes and we need to iron out the workflow a bit more between all 3. Jonathan
On 04/20/2018 02:10 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > >> While we are on the subject of Mailing Lists, it would help new users if they could see the list choices and what eachlist covers. Basically what you see when you go to the Archive section. As it is now going here: >> >> https://lists.postgresql.org/ >> >> is a leap into the unknown:) > > Yeah…this may comes as a surprise, but we’ve had some off-list discussions > about that ;-) > > This may be something to move to -www but we now have a situation where we I can take a hint:) > have information about mailing lists in 3 separate apps: > > pgweb > pgarchives > pglister > > In which all 3 serve different purposes and we need to iron out the workflow > a bit more between all 3. > > Jonathan > > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com