Re: New website - Mailing list pgsql-general

On 04/18/2018 05:22 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver
>>> <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
>>>> I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant
>>>> head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have
>>>> been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve
>>>> judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
>>> I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a
>>> website design. It took years to launch this website redesign.
>>> Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen.
>>> Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo
>>> links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many
>>> non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main
>>> PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at
>>> https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git.
>>
>> And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important links) you have to:
> 
> We designed the website with 3 user profiles:
> 
> - New to PostgreSQL > - Users
> - Hackers >
> These are 3 very different experiences. It’s hard
> to find a balance for all of these different needs.
> 
> When we analyzed the traffic we opted to make
> various trade offs based on what the most
> accessed pages.
> 
> We did note that the people who need to access
> the mailing list archives know how to get there.

Under the old system. In the new system it took me a bunch of clicking 
around to find the new location.

> 
> The nice thing about a website is that it is easy
> to iterate over and we can rapidly add things in
> should they be necessary.
> 
>> Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll to the bottom of page to find the search
box.
>>
>> I am one of the No votes in the survey.
> 
> I’m sorry to hear that.  However based on our data
> we opted to focus optimizing the experience for
> getting people using PostgreSQL in their apps to
> the right places.  If you have constructive feedback
> on how we can improve in other areas I’m happy to
> listen.  As someone who does answer webmaster@postgresql.org feel free
> to reach out.

To start:

Home Page

Picture(its a nice picture) takes up a third page of the page to display 
two buttons. One Download replicates the tab just above. The second 'New 
to Postgrsql? replicates the section just below it.

New to PostgreSQL?  should be in the tabs above. Not sure why it is more 
important then the News buried down at the bottom:
"
PostgreSQL 10.3 Released!

This release centers around added documentation that describes 
CVE-2018-1058 and how to take steps to mitigate the impact on PostgreSQL 
databases. There are also several bug fixes included in the release. All 
users using the affected versions of PostgreSQL should update as soon as 
possible.
"

Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to page 
that includes the archives.

The acres of white space needs to be eliminated to bring information 
closer together and eliminate wear and tear on the scroll wheel.

> 
> Jonathan
> 


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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com