Thread: Sourceforge PG release
I see someone updated our Sourceforge web site with 8.4 today: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pgsql/files/ This raises a few questions: o Why was this not done more promptly?o Why is Marc not listed as an admin?o Why do I not have release permissions forour project?o Why is 8.3.7 listed on the main project page, and not 8.4? https://sourceforge.net/projects/pgsql/ -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 13:45 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I see someone updated our Sourceforge web site with 8.4 today: That's me. > o Why was this not done more promptly? > o Why is 8.3.7 listed on the main project page, and not 8.4? On project admin page, 8.4.0 is listed as primary download (and there are no alternative downloads). However, front page refused to pick it up. I read that sf.net is doing some maintenance (I got lots (really lots) of error 500 while trying to view our sf.net pages) -- so I'll wait until Monday. If it is not fixed until then, I'll but sf.net team. > o Why is Marc not listed as an admin? Don't know. When I was added to project a few years ago, only you and Robert was an admin. > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? You should -- what kind of an error did you get? -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE Command Prompt - http://www.CommandPrompt.com devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? > > You should Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. Fixed. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE Command Prompt - http://www.CommandPrompt.com devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org
On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? > > > > You should > > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. Fixed. This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, right? :-D -- Robert Treat Conjecture: http://www.xzilla.net Consulting: http://www.omniti.com
Robert Treat wrote: > On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: > > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? > > > > > > You should > > > > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. Fixed. > > This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, > right? :-D Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on some checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official release. Where is it listed? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On 7/5/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Robert Treat wrote: >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >> > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >> > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? >> > > >> > > You should >> > >> > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. Fixed. >> >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, >> right? :-D > > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on some > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official release. > Where is it listed? > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Dave Page wrote: > On 7/5/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > Robert Treat wrote: > >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: > >> > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: > >> > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? > >> > > > >> > > You should > >> > > >> > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. Fixed. > >> > >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, > >> right? :-D > > > > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few > > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on some > > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official release. > > Where is it listed? > > > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. Josh & Devrim OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others don't as well. And Marc should be listed as a backup on that item, I think. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Should we treat releases as projects, including pm's, taking care of checklists while mitigating risks? Note the "including a PM". One per release, tracking and delivering. Community driven, public reporting. I can help preparing a project template draft. Gb. 2009/7/5, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>: > Dave Page wrote: >> On 7/5/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >> > Robert Treat wrote: >> >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >> >> > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? >> >> > > >> >> > > You should >> >> > >> >> > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. >> >> > Fixed. >> >> >> >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, >> >> right? :-D >> > >> > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few >> > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on some >> > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official release. >> > Where is it listed? >> > >> >> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks > > Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: > > 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. > Josh & Devrim > > OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please > spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others > don't as well. And Marc should be listed as a backup on that item, I > think. > > -- > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us > EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com > > + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www > -- Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil
Thats what we already have essentially. We just had an issue with one minor item which got overlooked. Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. On 7/5/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: > Should we treat releases as projects, including pm's, taking care of > checklists while mitigating risks? > > Note the "including a PM". One per release, tracking and delivering. > Community driven, public reporting. > > I can help preparing a project template draft. > > Gb. > > 2009/7/5, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>: >> Dave Page wrote: >>> On 7/5/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>> > Robert Treat wrote: >>> >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>> >> > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>> >> > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our >>> >> > > > project? >>> >> > > >>> >> > > You should >>> >> > >>> >> > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. >>> >> > Fixed. >>> >> >>> >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, >>> >> right? :-D >>> > >>> > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few >>> > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on some >>> > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official >>> > release. >>> > Where is it listed? >>> > >>> >>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks >> >> Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: >> >> 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. >> Josh & Devrim >> >> OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please >> spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others >> don't as well. And Marc should be listed as a backup on that item, I >> think. >> >> -- >> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us >> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >> >> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + >> >> -- >> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) >> To make changes to your subscription: >> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >> > > -- > Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil > -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Which item Dave? GB.- On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > Thats what we already have essentially. We just had an issue with one > minor item which got overlooked. > > Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's > confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not > actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain > anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. > > > On 7/5/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: >> Should we treat releases as projects, including pm's, taking care of >> checklists while mitigating risks? >> >> Note the "including a PM". One per release, tracking and delivering. >> Community driven, public reporting. >> >> I can help preparing a project template draft. >> >> Gb. >> >> 2009/7/5, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>: >>> Dave Page wrote: >>>> On 7/5/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>>> > Robert Treat wrote: >>>> >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>>> >> > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>>> >> > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our >>>> >> > > > project? >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > You should >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. >>>> >> > Fixed. >>>> >> >>>> >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, >>>> >> right? :-D >>>> > >>>> > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few >>>> > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on some >>>> > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official >>>> > release. >>>> > Where is it listed? >>>> > >>>> >>>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks >>> >>> Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: >>> >>> 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. >>> Josh & Devrim >>> >>> OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please >>> spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others >>> don't as well. And Marc should be listed as a backup on that item, I >>> think. >>> >>> -- >>> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us >>> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >>> >>> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + >>> >>> -- >>> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) >>> To make changes to your subscription: >>> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >>> >> >> -- >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil >> > > > -- > Dave Page > EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >
Err, the one this thread is about? (updating sf.net). On 7/5/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: > Which item Dave? > > GB.- > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >> Thats what we already have essentially. We just had an issue with one >> minor item which got overlooked. >> >> Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's >> confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not >> actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain >> anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. >> >> >> On 7/5/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Should we treat releases as projects, including pm's, taking care of >>> checklists while mitigating risks? >>> >>> Note the "including a PM". One per release, tracking and delivering. >>> Community driven, public reporting. >>> >>> I can help preparing a project template draft. >>> >>> Gb. >>> >>> 2009/7/5, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>: >>>> Dave Page wrote: >>>>> On 7/5/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>>>> > Robert Treat wrote: >>>>> >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>>>> >> > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>>>> >> > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our >>>>> >> > > > project? >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > You should >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. >>>>> >> > Fixed. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put >>>>> >> up, >>>>> >> right? :-D >>>>> > >>>>> > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few >>>>> > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on >>>>> > some >>>>> > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official >>>>> > release. >>>>> > Where is it listed? >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks >>>> >>>> Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: >>>> >>>> 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan >>>> F. >>>> Josh & Devrim >>>> >>>> OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please >>>> spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others >>>> don't as well. And Marc should be listed as a backup on that item, I >>>> think. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us >>>> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >>>> >>>> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) >>>> To make changes to your subscription: >>>> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Page >> EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >> > -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 15:19 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's > confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not > actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain > anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. +1. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE Command Prompt - http://www.CommandPrompt.com devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org
Sorry, though you were talking about *a new* issue. gb.- On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > Err, the one this thread is about? (updating sf.net). > > On 7/5/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: >> Which item Dave? >> >> GB.- >> >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >>> Thats what we already have essentially. We just had an issue with one >>> minor item which got overlooked. >>> >>> Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's >>> confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not >>> actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain >>> anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. >>> >>> >>> On 7/5/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Should we treat releases as projects, including pm's, taking care of >>>> checklists while mitigating risks? >>>> >>>> Note the "including a PM". One per release, tracking and delivering. >>>> Community driven, public reporting. >>>> >>>> I can help preparing a project template draft. >>>> >>>> Gb. >>>> >>>> 2009/7/5, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>: >>>>> Dave Page wrote: >>>>>> On 7/5/09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>>>>> > Robert Treat wrote: >>>>>> >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>>>>> >> > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>>>>> >> > > > o Why do I not have release permissions for our >>>>>> >> > > > project? >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > You should >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. >>>>>> >> > Fixed. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put >>>>>> >> up, >>>>>> >> right? :-D >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few >>>>>> > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on >>>>>> > some >>>>>> > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official >>>>>> > release. >>>>>> > Where is it listed? >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: >>>>> >>>>> 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan >>>>> F. >>>>> Josh & Devrim >>>>> >>>>> OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please >>>>> spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others >>>>> don't as well. And Marc should be listed as a backup on that item, I >>>>> think. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us >>>>> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >>>>> >>>>> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) >>>>> To make changes to your subscription: >>>>> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Page >>> EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >>> >> > > > -- > Dave Page > EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >
Can you please fix me as well? On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Devrim G�ND�Z wrote: > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: >>> o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? >> >> You should > > Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. Fixed. > -- > Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE > Command Prompt - http://www.CommandPrompt.com > devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr > http://www.gunduz.org > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Robert Treat wrote: >> On Sunday 05 July 2009 06:22:42 Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>> On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 11:32 +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: >>>>> o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? >>>> >>>> You should >>> >>> Oops, I just saw that you were not granted permission for that. Fixed. >> >> This means we can start blaming Bruce for releases not getting put up, >> right? :-D > > Perhaps. My big question is why we are doing this now, and not a few > days ago. Updating external download sites was supposed to be on some > checklist so we didn't have to fix this days after the official release. > Where is it listed? Actually, someone wrote a nice script that goes out and checks the various sites and send out an email when out of sync ... that was how I knew I couln't update sourceforge, as I got the email, and tried to update it ... More useful then a checklist, as its "in your face" ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
Bruce Momjian wrote: > I see someone updated our Sourceforge web site with 8.4 today: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/pgsql/files/ > > This raises a few questions: > > o Why was this not done more promptly? > o Why is Marc not listed as an admin? > o Why do I not have release permissions for our project? > o Why is 8.3.7 listed on the main project page, and not 8.4? > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/pgsql/ All the above items have been addressed; thanks for the teamwork. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: > > 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. > Josh & Devrim > > OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please > spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others > don't as well. http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/d359a6a50806140525q37ee8baeq1e93562cd342a8da@mail.gmail.com -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: > > > > 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. > > Josh & Devrim > > > > OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please > > spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others > > don't as well. > > http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/d359a6a50806140525q37ee8baeq1e93562cd342a8da@mail.gmail.com OK, thanks. I have updated the release checklist wiki to include his last name: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks#Scheduled_Deployments However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project member. Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? I see ony Marc listed as a project member. Marc, can you add me too (bmomjian)? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>> Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: >>> >>> 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. >>> Josh & Devrim >>> >>> OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please >>> spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others >>> don't as well. >> >> http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/d359a6a50806140525q37ee8baeq1e93562cd342a8da@mail.gmail.com > > OK, thanks. I have updated the release checklist wiki to include his > last name: > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks#Scheduled_Deployments > > However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project > member. Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? I see ony Marc > listed as a project member. Marc, can you add me too (bmomjian)? I'm soooo confused now .. didn't *you* just add me? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >> Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: > >>> > >>> 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. > >>> Josh & Devrim > >>> > >>> OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please > >>> spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others > >>> don't as well. > >> > >> http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/d359a6a50806140525q37ee8baeq1e93562cd342a8da@mail.gmail.com > > > > OK, thanks. I have updated the release checklist wiki to include his > > last name: > > > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks#Scheduled_Deployments > > > > However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project > > member. Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? I see ony Marc > > listed as a project member. Marc, can you add me too (bmomjian)? > > I'm soooo confused now .. didn't *you* just add me? Sorry, I was confusing. I added you to SourceForge, but then I started talking about Freshmeat without saying it. The paragraph should be: > However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project > member. Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? I see ony Marc > listed as a project member for _Freshmeat_. Marc, can you add me to > Freshmeat too (bmomjian)? Jonathan, do you have a Freshmeat account? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Done On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>> Alvaro Herrera wrote: >>>> Bruce Momjian wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks. Here is the line that I am interested in: >>>>> >>>>> 7/1 19:00 6/30 15:00 Update Freshmeat etc. Jonathan F. >>>>> Josh & Devrim >>>>> >>>>> OK, so why wasn't this done? And who is Jonathan F.? Can we please >>>>> spell out his full last name because if I don't know who he is, others >>>>> don't as well. >>>> >>>> http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/d359a6a50806140525q37ee8baeq1e93562cd342a8da@mail.gmail.com >>> >>> OK, thanks. I have updated the release checklist wiki to include his >>> last name: >>> >>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/84WebTasks#Scheduled_Deployments >>> >>> However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project >>> member. Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? I see ony Marc >>> listed as a project member. Marc, can you add me too (bmomjian)? >> >> I'm soooo confused now .. didn't *you* just add me? > > Sorry, I was confusing. I added you to SourceForge, but then I started > talking about Freshmeat without saying it. The paragraph should be: > >> However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project >> member. Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? I see ony Marc >> listed as a project member for _Freshmeat_. Marc, can you add me to >> Freshmeat too (bmomjian)? Jonathan, do you have a Freshmeat account? > > -- > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us > EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com > > + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > > Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's > confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not > actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain > anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. > yeah! i was wondering about the very same thing... what's the usefulness for maintaining a sf.net project? -- Atentamente, Jaime Casanova Soporte y capacitación de PostgreSQL Asesoría y desarrollo de sistemas Guayaquil - Ecuador Cel. +59387171157
Jaime Casanova wrote: > On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > > > > Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's > > confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not > > actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain > > anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. > > > > yeah! i was wondering about the very same thing... what's the > usefulness for maintaining a sf.net project? I don't know, but as long as it exists we should keep it current. Do we want to remove it? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Jaime Casanova wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >> > >> > Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's >> > confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not >> > actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain >> > anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. >> > >> >> yeah! i was wondering about the very same thing... what's the >> usefulness for maintaining a sf.net project? > > I don't know, but as long as it exists we should keep it current. Do we > want to remove it? I think we should. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Sorry, I was confusing. I added you to SourceForge, but then I started > talking about Freshmeat without saying it. The paragraph should be: > >> However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project >> member. Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? I see ony Marc >> listed as a project member for _Freshmeat_. Marc, can you add me to >> Freshmeat too (bmomjian)? Jonathan, do you have a Freshmeat account? Yes, my Freshmeat account is jfuerth, and it appears I already have access to edit the Freshmeat entry. However, Marc already took care of this on July 1. As for SourceForge, my account name there is also jfuerth. It appears I do not presently have access to edit the SourceForge project. -Jonathan
Jonathan Fuerth wrote: > On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Sorry, I was confusing. I added you to SourceForge, but then I started > > talking about Freshmeat without saying it. ?The paragraph should be: > > > >> However Jonathan Fuerth is not listed as a SourceForge PG project > >> member. ?Jonathan, what is your sourceforge user id? ?I see ony Marc > >> listed as a project member for _Freshmeat_. ?Marc, can you add me to > >> Freshmeat too (bmomjian)? ?Jonathan, do you have a Freshmeat account? > > Yes, my Freshmeat account is jfuerth, and it appears I already have > access to edit the Freshmeat entry. However, Marc already took care of > this on July 1. OK, I see it now. > As for SourceForge, my account name there is also jfuerth. It appears > I do not presently have access to edit the SourceForge project. OK, I have added you with full permissions. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
What is the harm in keeping it? Doesn't Google use 'relevant links metrics' to improve search results or something? If the sf.net project just points to our own files, and we don't have to upload anything ... what is the issue? On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Jaime Casanova wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >>> >>> Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's >>> confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not >>> actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain >>> anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. >>> >> >> yeah! i was wondering about the very same thing... what's the >> usefulness for maintaining a sf.net project? > > I don't know, but as long as it exists we should keep it current. Do we > want to remove it? > > -- > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us > EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com > > + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
IMHO 65000 downloads are actually saying: "please don't remove the project from this site because someone may find it useful" gb.- On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Marc G. Fournier<scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > What is the harm in keeping it? Doesn't Google use 'relevant links metrics' > to improve search results or something? If the sf.net project just points > to our own files, and we don't have to upload anything ... what is the > issue? > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> Jaime Casanova wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's >>>> confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not >>>> actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain >>>> anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. >>>> >>> >>> yeah! i was wondering about the very same thing... what's the >>> usefulness for maintaining a sf.net project? >> >> I don't know, but as long as it exists we should keep it current. Do we >> want to remove it? >> >> -- >> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us >> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >> >> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + >> > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >
So 65000 are battling the sf.net advertising network, and perhaps not realising we have a thriving community over here. I honestly don't see how having a sf.net page helps our users get the most out of the project, or helps us as a project. On 7/6/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: > IMHO 65000 downloads are actually saying: "please don't remove the > project from this site because someone may find it useful" > > gb.- > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Marc G. Fournier<scrappy@hub.org> wrote: >> >> What is the harm in keeping it? Doesn't Google use 'relevant links >> metrics' >> to improve search results or something? If the sf.net project just points >> to our own files, and we don't have to upload anything ... what is the >> issue? >> >> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>> Jaime Casanova wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's >>>>> confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not >>>>> actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain >>>>> anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. >>>>> >>>> >>>> yeah! i was wondering about the very same thing... what's the >>>> usefulness for maintaining a sf.net project? >>> >>> I don't know, but as long as it exists we should keep it current. Do we >>> want to remove it? >>> >>> -- >>> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us >>> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >>> >>> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + >>> >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >> (http://www.hub.org) >> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >> > -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Dave Page escribió: > So 65000 are battling the sf.net advertising network, and perhaps not > realising we have a thriving community over here. > > I honestly don't see how having a sf.net page helps our users get the > most out of the project, or helps us as a project. Moreover when you search for "postgresql" in SF.net you get a lot of stuff but NOT PostgreSQL itself, at least not in the first 3 pages. +1 for getting rid of it. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Dave, Perhaps they simply don't enjoy our community or they simply don't want to become a part of it, or they even don't know about the postgresql.org site! Not every single user of the PostgreSQL project is a member of the community. It's just another place where to get the stuff from, and nothing else. Just a thought. gb.- On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > So 65000 are battling the sf.net advertising network, and perhaps not > realising we have a thriving community over here. > > I honestly don't see how having a sf.net page helps our users get the > most out of the project, or helps us as a project. > > On 7/6/09, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: >> IMHO 65000 downloads are actually saying: "please don't remove the >> project from this site because someone may find it useful" >> >> gb.- >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Marc G. Fournier<scrappy@hub.org> wrote: >>> >>> What is the harm in keeping it? Doesn't Google use 'relevant links >>> metrics' >>> to improve search results or something? If the sf.net project just points >>> to our own files, and we don't have to upload anything ... what is the >>> issue? >>> >>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> >>>> Jaime Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Fwiw, i think having an sf.net project is a *bad* idea anyway. It's >>>>>> confusing for people who find that project and don't realise it's not >>>>>> actually used for anything. It seems a strange thing to maintain >>>>>> anyway - it's not exactly likely to attract new users. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yeah! i was wondering about the very same thing... what's the >>>>> usefulness for maintaining a sf.net project? >>>> >>>> I don't know, but as long as it exists we should keep it current. Do we >>>> want to remove it? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us >>>> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com >>>> >>>> + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + >>>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>> (http://www.hub.org) >>> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >>> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >>> >> > > > -- > Dave Page > EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Guido Barosio<gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: > Dave, > > Not every single user of the PostgreSQL project is a member of the community. > and we can't encourage that!! they can found problems and try to solve it themself!!! actually, reinventing the wheel, again and a again... and that makes us no good! -- Atentamente, Jaime Casanova Soporte y capacitación de PostgreSQL Asesoría y desarrollo de sistemas Guayaquil - Ecuador Cel. +59387171157
Marc wrote: > Please add me on ... like iwth Freshmeat, I saw the notice go out that > it was out of date, but unlike Freshmeat, I couldn't login to make any > changes ... I have added Marc as a Sourceforce Admin with Release Tech permissions, just like me. Hopefully this will improve our future release management process. Also, Sourceforce now shows Postgres 8.4 on its main page so that issue is resolved too. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Guido Barosio<gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: > Dave, > > Perhaps they simply don't enjoy our community or they simply don't > want to become a part of it, or they even don't know about the > postgresql.org site! Not every single user of the PostgreSQL project > is a member of the community. They don't have to join the community if they get the code from us, but others that don't know about it, and then download from sf.net don't even get the chance to see what we have to offer. I think we're of such a size now that we don't need an sf.net page to drive people to us, but should get rid of it to avoid 'diluting' the project. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Also, Sourceforce now shows Postgres 8.4 on its main page so that issue > is resolved too. However I have a few questions. - why is 7.3 still listed? - why is the 8.4 branch listed last? - why, in each branch, the oldest release is listed first? - why are not all stable releases listed? - why is there a "win32 installer" subpackage in the 8.2 branch, pointing to an obviously-outdated package? And lastly, - why do we have this listing at all and not point people to our downloads page which is obviously always up to date and complete? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Dave Page wrote: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Guido Barosio<gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dave, >> >> Perhaps they simply don't enjoy our community or they simply don't >> want to become a part of it, or they even don't know about the >> postgresql.org site! Not every single user of the PostgreSQL project >> is a member of the community. > > They don't have to join the community if they get the code from us, > but others that don't know about it, and then download from sf.net > don't even get the chance to see what we have to offer. > > I think we're of such a size now that we don't need an sf.net page to > drive people to us, but should get rid of it to avoid 'diluting' the > project. How does it 'dilute' the project? Is anyone over there actively developing it? Are there any files uploaded over there? Forums active? From what I could see, it all just pointed over to us for all that, but I may have missed something ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Marc G. Fournier<scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > How does it 'dilute' the project? Is anyone over there actively developing > it? Are there any files uploaded over there? Forums active? > > From what I could see, it all just pointed over to us for all that, but I > may have missed something ... Hah - it gets worse! This project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pgsql/files/ Hosts downloads, has a 'Support' page that says: ---- Best Way To Get Help Unfortunately, this project hasn't indicated the best way to get help. Contact the project's administrators to find out how to get help. ---- and has a 'What's happening' section which mainly just shows Bruce tweaking permissions, rather than any real project activity. However, there is also this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freshmeat_pgsql/, which does just have a bunch of links back to us. I assume sf.net are auto-generating this from freshmeat. It's also worth noting as I think someone else did, that searching for 'postgresql' doesn't actually find these projects, at least nowhere in the first dozen results pages. I had to search for 'pgsql' to track them down. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com