Thread: Fwd: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts?
Forwarding to the correct list: Hey guys! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:12:59 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> To: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> Cc: elein <elein@varlena.com>, <pgsql-docs@postgresql.org> Josh Berkus writes: > Elein is correct, our variety of styles does look odd and can cause issues > with readability. See, for example, > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/functions-string.html > > Can we experiment with different SGML-to-HMTL font styles to find one that's a > little easier on the eyes? What I find particularly difficult are the > function parameter columns; the mix of "normal" italics with "bold" italics. Compare with the "original" version: http://developer.postgresql.org/docs/postgres/functions-string.html That looks fairly reasonable to me. So the problem appears to be in the CSS stylesheets. -- Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org ------------------------------------------------------- -- -Josh Berkus ______AGLIO DATABASE SOLUTIONS___________________________ Josh Berkus Complete information technology josh@agliodbs.com and data management solutions (415) 565-7293 for law firms, small businesses fax 621-2533 and non-profit organizations. San Francisco
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 18:29, Josh Berkus wrote: > Forwarding to the correct list: Hey guys! > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts? > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:12:59 +0100 (CET) > From: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> > To: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> > Cc: elein <elein@varlena.com>, <pgsql-docs@postgresql.org> > > Josh Berkus writes: > > Elein is correct, our variety of styles does look odd and can cause > > issues with readability. See, for example, > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/functions-string.html > > > > Can we experiment with different SGML-to-HMTL font styles to find one > > that's > > a > > > little easier on the eyes? What I find particularly difficult are the > > function parameter columns; the mix of "normal" italics with "bold" > > italics. > > Compare with the "original" version: > > http://developer.postgresql.org/docs/postgres/functions-string.html > > That looks fairly reasonable to me. So the problem appears to be in the > CSS stylesheets. > not saying if its css one way or t'other, but it looks fine on the 7.3 doc page... Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
> -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Treat [mailto:xzilla@users.sourceforge.net] > Sent: 20 November 2003 05:38 > To: josh@agliodbs.com; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts? > > > That looks fairly reasonable to me. So the problem appears > to be in > > the CSS stylesheets. > > > > not saying if its css one way or t'other, but it looks fine > on the 7.3 doc page... > On the 7.3 the words (in the first para at least) are in upper case, in 7.4, lower. This is most certainly the stylesheet as the SGML docs use tags that we don't use elsewhere. Any volunteers to figure out what they are and make them look purdy? Regards, Dave.
On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 05:21 PM, Dave Page wrote:
> This is most certainly the stylesheet as the SGML docs use tags that we
> don't use elsewhere. Any volunteers to figure out what they are and
> make
> them look purdy?
I'm not sure what's causing the two docs (developer and current) to
render differently. AFAICT, there's no special CSS to handle the
particular tags that are rendering differently.
Be that as it may, if you drop this into the postgresql.css, it should
make things match. I'd still like to get rid of the monospaced italics,
but for the time being I think it might be best to go with what the
conventions describe. We can always change it later.
Michael
ACRONYM.ACRONYM { font-style:normal; }
CODE.FUNCTION,
VAR.LITERAL,
VAR.PARAMETER,
VAR.REPLACEABLE {
font-family:monospace;
font-style:normal;
font-size:small;
voice-family: "\";}\""; /* Tantek MSIE4/5 hack */
voice-family:inherit;
font-size:medium;
}
VAR.PARAMETER,
VAR.REPLACEABLE {
font-style:italic;
}
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:grzm@myrealbox.com] > Sent: 20 November 2003 16:29 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Robert Treat; josh@agliodbs.com; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts? > > Be that as it may, if you drop this into the postgresql.css, > it should make things match. I'd still like to get rid of the > monospaced italics, but for the time being I think it might > be best to go with what the conventions describe. We can > always change it later. Done, though it does mess up the formatting of some pages: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/view.php?version=7.4&idoc=1&file=function s-string.html Are you seeing this on your working copy? Regards, Dave.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:grzm@myrealbox.com] > Sent: 24 November 2003 15:26 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Robert Treat; josh@agliodbs.com; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts? > > > On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 06:10 AM, Dave Page wrote: > > > > Done, though it does mess up the formatting of some pages: > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ > > view.php?version=7.4&idoc=1&file=function > > s-string.html > > > > Are you seeing this on your working copy? > > Thanks for applying the "patch." Seeing what? :) (Really, I'm > not trying to be obtuse.) I tried to match the developers > copy at > http://developer.postgresql.org/docs/postgres/functions-string > .html. I did notice bit of a hiccup in Konqueror (text > flowing extending beyond the cells), but checking back with > the dev docs, Konqueror rendered this the same as well. What > am I missing? (It's probably just sitting right in front of > me. Just can't see it!) The design is modelled after a sheet of paper, which should be the width of the banner + 2 ads. One some pages, the text size is now forcing the 'paper' to be wider tan it should, leaving a white gap to the right of the left add, and forcing the right column over 100px or so. Cheers, Dave.
On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 06:10 AM, Dave Page wrote: > > Done, though it does mess up the formatting of some pages: > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ > view.php?version=7.4&idoc=1&file=function > s-string.html > > Are you seeing this on your working copy? Thanks for applying the "patch." Seeing what? :) (Really, I'm not trying to be obtuse.) I tried to match the developers copy at http://developer.postgresql.org/docs/postgres/functions-string.html. I did notice bit of a hiccup in Konqueror (text flowing extending beyond the cells), but checking back with the dev docs, Konqueror rendered this the same as well. What am I missing? (It's probably just sitting right in front of me. Just can't see it!) Michael
On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Dave Page wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:grzm@myrealbox.com] >> Sent: 24 November 2003 15:26 >> To: Dave Page >> Cc: Robert Treat; josh@agliodbs.com; pgsql-www@postgresql.org >> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts? >> >> >> On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 06:10 AM, Dave Page wrote: >>> >>> Done, though it does mess up the formatting of some pages: >>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ >>> view.php?version=7.4&idoc=1&file=function >>> s-string.html >>> >>> Are you seeing this on your working copy? >> <snip/> >> I did notice bit of a hiccup in Konqueror (text >> flowing extending beyond the cells), but checking back with >> the dev docs, Konqueror rendered this the same as well. <snip/> > The design is modelled after a sheet of paper, which should be the > width > of the banner + 2 ads. One some pages, the text size is now forcing the > 'paper' to be wider tan it should, leaving a white gap to the right of > the left add, and forcing the right column over 100px or so. Thanks! I see this in IE 5.2/ Mac and Opera 6/Mac. I think this is probably the result of how the banner tables are defined (fixed widths) and that the font size looks bigger in these two browsers. Opera also doesn't seem to honoring the nowrap in the banner: the links in the banner are two lines causing Slonik to float with some extra blue above and below. My thoughts are that this probably needs to be fixed in the markup rather than the CSS, adding some variable widths to the banner. The designs I'm working on right now reflow quite well. I'll post some address in a little bit. Earlier we were discussing how to handle the columns, in particular the left and right sides. It's kind of hard to tell because there aren't side columns in the document pages, but I think the search bar sets it off pretty well. What do you think? Michael
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:grzm@myrealbox.com] > Sent: 24 November 2003 23:32 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Robert Treat; josh@agliodbs.com; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [DOCS] 7.4 official docs : Fonts? > > > Thanks! I see this in IE 5.2/ Mac and Opera 6/Mac. I think > this is probably the result of how the banner tables are > defined (fixed widths) and that the font size looks bigger in > these two browsers. Opera also doesn't seem to honoring the > nowrap in the banner: the links in the banner are two lines > causing Slonik to float with some extra blue above and below. > My thoughts are that this probably needs to be fixed in the > markup rather than the CSS, adding some variable widths to > the banner. > The designs I'm working on right now reflow quite well. I'll > post some address in a little bit. OK. > Earlier we were discussing how to handle the columns, in > particular the left and right sides. It's kind of hard to > tell because there aren't side columns in the document pages, > but I think the search bar sets it off pretty well. What do you think? Not quite sure what you mean? Regards, Dave.