Thread: Re: Site designs, upgrades, and Konqueror
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:grzm@myrealbox.com] > Sent: 19 November 2003 15:58 > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: [pgsql-www] Site designs, upgrades, and Konqueror > > Hello all! > > I've been thinking some about the site design but haven't > done actual coding since the last time I posted site addresses. > > However, I am now the proud owner of a Mac sporting Mac OS X > (with Safari, IE, Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird, Camino, Omniweb, > and Opera), Mac > OS9 emulation (Classic Mode) for Netscape 4.7 (considered > moot, I know) > *and* (drumroll please) KDE running in XFree86 with > Konqueror! Yes, I know, this is all probably old hat to you > guys, but it's a bit of an accomplishment for me and this > 266MHz G3 I've had for ages. I think total compile time was > something like 48 hours, testament both to the processor and > my inexperience installing software that isn't already in a > beautiful, simple, installer package. (Though I have > installed PostgreSQL from source, I most often use Marc > Liyanage's handy binary packages available at entropy.ch). > I'm pretty happy about it. And I'm looking forward to > installing PostgreSQL 7.4 from source in the near future. > Thank you for listening, or at least remaining silent as you > roll your eyes :) Congrats! > > Let's get those basic things done, and live with the > existing content, > > and *then* start looking at merging sites and restucturing > content etc. > > Once everything works, that should be a lot easier. > > Am I on the right page? Or reading the wrong book? Sounds good to me. > By the way, congratulations on getting the presskits and > pages up! From the flurry of mail earlier this week, you guys > put together a lot of stuff in a short time. Hehehe, thanks. That continued late into the night (UK time) on irc! Regards, Dave.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com] > Sent: 19 November 2003 16:47 > To: Michael Glaesemann; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Site designs, upgrades, and Konqueror > > Well .... the stuff has been developing for weeks ... > translating all of the > releases and press kits took a month, I think. But since > our sites have no > way to save stuff to be posted later, we had to put > everything up in a hurry last night. Huh? We can upload them, test them, get them round the mirrors etc. weeks in advance, and then just advertise/create the links at the last minute. > Which lead to some hellish problems with encodings, something > to consider for multi-lingualism. Most of those problems we caused because docs were editted after I had sorted out a number of other issues. As a result, a simple fix to the encodings overwrote lots of other changes. That should not have happened, especially as I had already posted a message to say that I had made the changes, *and* that the files were now under source control. Next time, once the files are submitted to the web team, we must ensure that *all* changes are made direct to the CVS. Barring emergencies, I'm the only person that should be editting anything in the live webspace as I'm the only one that can commit changes from there back to CVS. Thanks :-) Regards, Dave.
Dave, Chill! I'm not blaming you for any of the problems. We were disorganized, that's all. This was the *first* real press-splash release we've done, and chaos is a consequence of that. > Huh? We can upload them, test them, get them round the mirrors etc. > weeks in advance, and then just advertise/create the links at the last > minute. Oh. Well, I was listening to Marc and Robert who I thought said we couldn't. Also, there were some delays on the translation side, as I kept getting corrections up until Thursday last week. That can hopefully be fixed with firmer deadlines in the future ... > Next time, once the files are submitted to the web team, we must ensure > that *all* changes are made direct to the CVS. Barring emergencies, I'm > the only person that should be editting anything in the live webspace as > I'm the only one that can commit changes from there back to CVS. It certianly seemed like an emergency at the time. I had 50 e-mails in my inbox about messed-up encodings, and you were asleep, Robert was out-of-touch, and Devrim didn't know anything. Now I know a lot more about how the website works ... and hopefully we'll have a new infrastructure by 7.5/8.0. -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Huh? We can upload them, test them, get them round the mirrors etc. > > weeks in advance, and then just advertise/create the links at the last > > minute. > > Oh. Well, I was listening to Marc and Robert who I thought said we > couldn't. Oops, fell out of this thread early ... what can't we do?
Marc, > > Oh. Well, I was listening to Marc and Robert who I thought said we > > couldn't. > > Oops, fell out of this thread early ... what can't we do? I believe that I asked you & Robert (seperately) whether there was any way we could set up the 7.4 announcements in advance (like last Wednesday) and only "activate" them on Monday. I thought that both of you said that we couldn't. However, it is also possible that we just didn't communicate. -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > Marc, > > > > Oh. Well, I was listening to Marc and Robert who I thought said we > > > couldn't. > > > > Oops, fell out of this thread early ... what can't we do? > > I believe that I asked you & Robert (seperately) whether there was any way we > could set up the 7.4 announcements in advance (like last Wednesday) and only > "activate" them on Monday. I thought that both of you said that we > couldn't. > > However, it is also possible that we just didn't communicate. I don't recall the email *sigh* there is no reason why we couldn't have though, that I'm aware of ... you'd have to link them into the main page(s) the night before to give a chance for the mirrors to grab it, but as long as its not link'd in, unless I'm mis-understanding, then you should be able to do it ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
<note that only 1/2 of this thread has come through to me>
On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 12:12, Dave Page wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com]
> Next time, once the files are submitted to the web team, we must ensure
> that *all* changes are made direct to the CVS. Barring emergencies, I'm
> the only person that should be editting anything in the live webspace as
> I'm the only one that can commit changes from there back to CVS.
>
Well, I'm guilty of having made changes on the live server in the past,
though I think I have always sent a note immediately afterword to you
informing you of the change. One potential issue we have all had though
is that when developing the site you need a copy of the database on hand
in order to get things working. I've manually pulled these down for
myself in the past, but would you see an issue with checking in a
pg_dump of the www server to cvs, so others could recreate a copy of the
site?
Robert Treat
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On November 19, 2003 12:59, Robert Treat wrote: > Well, I'm guilty of having made changes on the live server in the past, > though I think I have always sent a note immediately afterword to you > informing you of the change. One potential issue we have all had though > is that when developing the site you need a copy of the database on hand > in order to get things working. I've manually pulled these down for > myself in the past, but would you see an issue with checking in a > pg_dump of the www server to cvs, so others could recreate a copy of the > site? > > Robert Treat I was thinking the same thing myself after having to haywire php files together just to get a (broken) page to display. A pg_dump does not even have to be in cvs really, just copied to a location on the web, say when the backup pg_dump happens on the server. (Which I assume happens?) -Wade Klaver -- Life is a tragedy for those who feel and a comedy for those who think. /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign . \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . X - NO Word docs in e-mail . / \ -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com] > Sent: 19 November 2003 19:40 > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Site designs, upgrades, and Konqueror > > Dave, > > Chill! I'm not blaming you for any of the problems. We > were disorganized, > that's all. This was the *first* real press-splash release > we've done, and > chaos is a consequence of that. Wow, I must have phrased that more harshly than I thought, sorry! I thought it all went quite well actually, but wanted to point out where things could be improved next time. > > Huh? We can upload them, test them, get them round the mirrors etc. > > weeks in advance, and then just advertise/create the links at the > > last minute. > > Oh. Well, I was listening to Marc and Robert who I thought > said we couldn't. Ahh, well ;-) > It certianly seemed like an emergency at the time. I had 50 > e-mails in my > inbox about messed-up encodings, and you were asleep, Robert > was out-of-touch, and Devrim didn't know anything. Asleep? I just left the office, went home for dinner, put the offspring to bed then got the laptop out again! I did go to sleep however - right after I said 'I going to sleep now' to which (iirc) you said 'Good night'!! :-) Regards, Dave.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Treat [mailto:xzilla@users.sourceforge.net] > Sent: 19 November 2003 21:00 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Josh Berkus; Michael Glaesemann; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Site designs, upgrades, and Konqueror > > <note that only 1/2 of this thread has come through to me> > > On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 12:12, Dave Page wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com] > > Next time, once the files are submitted to the web team, we must > > ensure that *all* changes are made direct to the CVS. Barring > > emergencies, I'm the only person that should be editting > anything in > > the live webspace as I'm the only one that can commit > changes from there back to CVS. > > > > Well, I'm guilty of having made changes on the live server in > the past, though I think I have always sent a note > immediately afterword to you informing you of the change. > One potential issue we have all had though is that when > developing the site you need a copy of the database on hand > in order to get things working. I've manually pulled these > down for myself in the past, but would you see an issue with > checking in a pg_dump of the www server to cvs, so others > could recreate a copy of the site? The big problem with that is that the database is pretty large (~250MB iirc). You can always setup a working copy elsewhere on the main server - www.postgresql.org/~xzilla should work if you create a public_html directory in your home dir. Alternatively, we can always setup a dedicated vhost. Regards, Dave.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Archeron [mailto:archeron@archeron.ca] > Sent: 19 November 2003 21:15 > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Site designs, upgrades, and Konqueror > > I was thinking the same thing myself after having to > haywire php files together just to get a (broken) page to > display. A pg_dump does not even have to be in cvs really, > just copied to a location on the web, say when the backup > pg_dump happens on the server. (Which I assume happens?) Hub.org handle the backups (at least I hope they do!). As I said to Robert, the dump is v.large as it also contains the search engine data. I'll see if I can do a cut down dump for testing purposes sometime. Regards, Dave.
On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 15:11, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> > Marc,
> >
> > > > Oh. Well, I was listening to Marc and Robert who I thought said we
> > > > couldn't.
> > >
> > > Oops, fell out of this thread early ... what can't we do?
> >
> > I believe that I asked you & Robert (seperately) whether there was any way we
> > could set up the 7.4 announcements in advance (like last Wednesday) and only
> > "activate" them on Monday. I thought that both of you said that we
> > couldn't.
> >
> > However, it is also possible that we just didn't communicate.
>
> I don't recall the email *sigh*
>
> there is no reason why we couldn't have though, that I'm aware of ...
> you'd have to link them into the main page(s) the night before to give a
> chance for the mirrors to grab it, but as long as its not link'd in,
> unless I'm mis-understanding, then you should be able to do it ...
yes, you can do it on the main www page - we have an active bit for each
new item. however, and this must be where the confusion came in, josh,
when you asked me about it you were asking about the advocacy site,
which we can't really do, since the news item strings have to be hard
coded into the files in order for them to display... two thoughts on
that are that we could put the strings in though you would be able to
see them all on actual pages before hand and possibly we could do some
hackery with &test=1 type tech to only display with a manually passed in
url. personally i'd rather see the main site translation be done and
then deprecate the advocacy site...
Robert Treat
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