Thread: Good/Bad RAID and SCSI controllers?

Good/Bad RAID and SCSI controllers?

From
"Josh Berkus"
Date:
Folks,

I am hoping to start a thread where users post their experiences with
various RAID  and SCSI controllers running Postgres.  When completed,
I'll post it somewhere on Techdocs with a big disclaimer. I'll start it
off:

MYLEX AcceleRAID 170:  Not supported under Linux 2.4 kernels.
  Performance under RAID 5 with 3 Maxtor UW SCSI disks good on read
operations (slightly better than a single SCSI disk) but on large write
operations poor, similar to low-end IDE disks in having disk-acccess
bottlenecks. Suspected in our installation of locking up on very large
simultaneous read/write operations, such as data tranformations on
tables over 1 million records. (cause of lockup not firmly determined
yet). (Josh Berkus 11/2002)

-Josh Berkus

Re: Good/Bad RAID and SCSI controllers?

From
Justin Clift
Date:
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I am hoping to start a thread where users post their experiences with
> various RAID  and SCSI controllers running Postgres.  When completed,
> I'll post it somewhere on Techdocs with a big disclaimer. I'll start it
> off:

Sounds like a really good idea.  There's already the beginnings of a page on Techdocs for this too.  ;-)

Here's two thoughts that might be helpful, although they're not RAID.

Advansys UW SCSI controller: Brain damaged.  Won't let standard Seagate Cheetah 10k RPM drives operating at all without

having SCSI Disconnection turned off, and speed is forced to a maximum throughput of 6MB/s.  100% not recommended.

Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 controller, BIOS version 3.10.0: Seems nice.  Everything works well, most stuff is automatically

configured, supported by just about everything.  Haven't done throughput benchmarks though.

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


> MYLEX AcceleRAID 170:  Not supported under Linux 2.4 kernels.
>   Performance under RAID 5 with 3 Maxtor UW SCSI disks good on read
> operations (slightly better than a single SCSI disk) but on large write
> operations poor, similar to low-end IDE disks in having disk-acccess
> bottlenecks. Suspected in our installation of locking up on very large
> simultaneous read/write operations, such as data tranformations on
> tables over 1 million records. (cause of lockup not firmly determined
> yet). (Josh Berkus 11/2002)
>
> -Josh Berkus


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Re: Good/Bad RAID and SCSI controllers?

From
"Josh Berkus"
Date:
Justin,

> Sounds like a really good idea.  There's already the beginnings of a
> page on Techdocs for this too.  ;-)

Where?  I don't see it.

-Josh


Re: Good/Bad RAID and SCSI controllers?

From
"scott.marlowe"
Date:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:

> Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I am hoping to start a thread where users post their experiences with
> > various RAID  and SCSI controllers running Postgres.  When completed,
> > I'll post it somewhere on Techdocs with a big disclaimer. I'll start it
> > off:
>
> Sounds like a really good idea.  There's already the beginnings of a page on Techdocs for this too.  ;-)
>
> Here's two thoughts that might be helpful, although they're not RAID.
>
> Advansys UW SCSI controller: Brain damaged.  Won't let standard Seagate Cheetah 10k RPM drives operating at all
without 
> having SCSI Disconnection turned off, and speed is forced to a maximum throughput of 6MB/s.  100% not recommended.
>
> Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 controller, BIOS version 3.10.0: Seems nice.  Everything works well, most stuff is
automatically 
> configured, supported by just about everything.  Haven't done throughput benchmarks though.

I'll throw a vote in behind the SymBIOS / LSI logic cards.  They are quite
stable and reliable, and generally faster than most other cards.  I've got
an UW symbios card at home I'll have to truck into work to play with so I
can compare it to my Adaptecs here.

I picked it up on Ebay (the symbios card) for $30, and it had a network
interface on it too, but the guy didn't know what kind it was.  Turned out
to be gig ethernet interface with the yellowfin chipset.  not a bad deal,
when you think about it.  poor thing gets to run my scanner, a tape drive,
and an old Plextor 12 Plex CDROM drive.  I'd like to hook up something
with the gigabit nic someday while it's still considered somewhat fast.
:-)

For insight into the SCSI cards that Linux supports and what the
maintainers think, I highly recommend a tour of the driver source code
files.  It's amazing how often the words "brain damaged" and "piece of
crap" show up there.


Re: Good/Bad RAID and SCSI controllers?

From
Justin Clift
Date:
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Justin,
>
>
>>Sounds like a really good idea.  There's already the beginnings of a
>>page on Techdocs for this too.  ;-)
>
>
> Where?  I don't see it.

Was thinking about this:

http://techdocs.postgresql.org/guides/DiskTuningGuide

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift



> -Josh
>


--
"My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those
who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
first group; there was less competition there."
- Indira Gandhi


Re: Good/Bad RAID and SCSI controllers?

From
"Shridhar Daithankar"
Date:
On 11 Dec 2002 at 15:34, scott.marlowe wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
> > Advansys UW SCSI controller: Brain damaged.  Won't let standard Seagate Cheetah 10k RPM drives operating at all
without 
> > having SCSI Disconnection turned off, and speed is forced to a maximum throughput of 6MB/s.  100% not recommended.
> >
> > Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 controller, BIOS version 3.10.0: Seems nice.  Everything works well, most stuff is
automatically 
> > configured, supported by just about everything.  Haven't done throughput benchmarks though.
>
> I'll throw a vote in behind the SymBIOS / LSI logic cards.  They are quite
> stable and reliable, and generally faster than most other cards.  I've got
> an UW symbios card at home I'll have to truck into work to play with so I
> can compare it to my Adaptecs here.
>
> I picked it up on Ebay (the symbios card) for $30, and it had a network
> interface on it too, but the guy didn't know what kind it was.  Turned out
> to be gig ethernet interface with the yellowfin chipset.  not a bad deal,
> when you think about it.  poor thing gets to run my scanner, a tape drive,
> and an old Plextor 12 Plex CDROM drive.  I'd like to hook up something
> with the gigabit nic someday while it's still considered somewhat fast.
> :-)

Right now page on techdocs is pretty thin on such details. I suggest these
authors to put this information(barring humour etc. Just experiences) on that
document.

Secondly I see my name there as contributor but I do not recall any
contribution. Anyway since I would like to have my name there, I will put some
info there as well.

Bye
 Shridhar

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