Thread: Another RAID controller recommendation question

Another RAID controller recommendation question

From
David Boreham
Date:
We're looking to deploy a bunch of new machines.
Our DB is fairly small and write-intensive. Most of the disk
traffic is PG WAL. Historically we've avoided
RAID controllers for various reasons, but this new deployment will be
done with them (also for various reasons ;)

We like to use white-boxish machines and we run CentOS. This would be
a good example of the kind of machine we'd buy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101339
manufacturer page :
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/6016/SYS-6016T-URF4_.cfm?UIO=N
these boxes have a proprietary controller slot, with these cards:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/UIO.cfm#Adapters
specifically this LSI-based one which seems to be the newest/fastest,
with BBWBC:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-USAS2LP-H8iR.cfm

I'd be interested to hear any options good or bad on these controllers,
or ideas for
alternatives. These machines are operated in a lights-out mode, and
will handle heavy constant load (hundreds of write txn/s) with 15K SAS
drives
in a RAID-1 setup (2 drives, or 2 + 2 with data and WAL split between
spindle groups).

Thanks!



Re: Another RAID controller recommendation question

From
Greg Smith
Date:
On 06/18/2011 02:46 AM, David Boreham wrote:
>
> We're looking to deploy a bunch of new machines.
> Our DB is fairly small and write-intensive. Most of the disk
> traffic is PG WAL. Historically we've avoided
> RAID controllers for various reasons, but this new deployment will be
> done with them (also for various reasons ;)

If the traffic is heavy on WAL, avoiding RAID controllers isn't a great
practice.  They're by far the best way possible to speed that up.

> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101339
> manufacturer page :
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/6016/SYS-6016T-URF4_.cfm?UIO=N
>

This a solid basic server model.  The Intel 5520 chipset they're built
on is nice and fast if you load it up with a bunch of RAM.

> these boxes have a proprietary controller slot, with these cards:
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/UIO.cfm#Adapters
> specifically this LSI-based one which seems to be the newest/fastest,
> with BBWBC:
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-USAS2LP-H8iR.cfm

I don't really like the whole proprietary controller slot thing if it
can be avoided.  We seem to have a lot of customers buying from Dell
recently, and it's partly because they've made it pretty straightforward
to swap out their PERC controller.  That makes troubleshooting a broken
server easier, spare parts are simple to manage, lots of advantages.
You almost need to stock your own spares for things like the RAID cards
if they're these propriety slot ones, because you're unlikely to find
one in an emergency.

That said, the card itself looks like plain old simple LSI MegaRAID.
Get the battery backup unit, check the battery and cache policy to make
sure they're sane, and learn how to use megaci to monitor it.  Fast and
generally trouble free after that initial setup time investment.


> These machines are operated in a lights-out mode, and
> will handle heavy constant load (hundreds of write txn/s) with 15K SAS
> drives
> in a RAID-1 setup (2 drives, or 2 + 2 with data and WAL split between
> spindle groups).

If you can try to measure the exact ratio of database to WAL traffic
here, that might help guide which of these configurations makes more
sense.  Hard to answer in a general way.

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Re: Another RAID controller recommendation question

From
David Boreham
Date:
On 6/18/2011 1:22 AM, Greg Smith wrote:
>
> That said, the card itself looks like plain old simple LSI MegaRAID.
> Get the battery backup unit

Thanks. Dell's web site drives me insane, and it appears I can save 20%
or more by going white-box.
One thing I don't understand is why is the BBU option never available
with "integrated" LSI controllers? It appears that anything with a
BBU/WBC capability immediately adds $700 or so to the machine price.





Re: Another RAID controller recommendation question

From
Scott Ribe
Date:
On Jun 19, 2011, at 12:33 AM, David Boreham wrote:

> One thing I don't understand is why is the BBU option never available with "integrated" LSI controllers?

Because "integrated" means it's on the mobo to save costs.

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