Thread: need information

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Peeyush wrote:
> I need some information on
>
> 1. What are the best features of Npgsql product as compare to
> other commercial .net data providers?
>
> 2. If you have encountered any major problems, bugs or
> performance issue etc... With this product?

You sent this to way too many lists, and you didn't select
those very carefully (pgsql-bugs ??).

The correct place for such a question is either the general list
(this one) or - even better - the Npgsql open-discussion forum:

http://pgfoundry.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=518

As to your questions:

Question 1 is wrong, because Npgsql is no commercial .NET data provider.
That's the main advantage: it is open source.

Concerning your second question, the only unresolved problem I am
aware of is with SSL connections, and that is a problem in
Mono, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=321325

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 17:15 +0200, Albe Laurenz wrote:

> As to your questions:
>
> Question 1 is wrong, because Npgsql is no commercial .NET data provider.
> That's the main advantage: it is open source.

This is actually a misconception. Open Source doesn't disqualify it as
commercial. It disqualifies it as proprietary. I can make money
providing consulting for Npgsql, that makes it commercial or at least
the opportunity for it to be commercial.

Not to be pedantic but let's be accurate with our data. We are database
people after all :)


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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:57, Peeyush <peeyush_jain@persistent.co.in> wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
>
>


Hi, Peeyush!

> I need some information on
>
> 1. What are the best features of Npgsql product as compare to other
> commercial .net data providers?
>

Well, the first one is that it is opensource. :)

We are working actively on it and we try to provide as fast as
possible the features our users need. Although some times we don't
deliver them as fast as we wished :(

We already have a very nice code base which can give you almost
anything you would need in your programs.

Please, give it a try and let us know what you think.


> 2. If you have encountered any major problems, bugs or performance issue
> etc... With this product?
>

Well, one of the biggest performance problems we have but we already
did some performance tunning is with bytea handling. It used to take a
lot of time with large data.

Our current performance problem is with prepared statements. Npgsql
still needs some tunning on this.


I think this is it for while.

As Albe already said, you would get a good feedback if you post your
question to our forum.

Thanks in advance.

I hope it helps.



>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
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>
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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> Question 1 is wrong, because Npgsql is no commercial .NET data provider.
>> That's the main advantage: it is open source.
>
> This is actually a misconception. Open Source doesn't disqualify it as
> commercial. It disqualifies it as proprietary. I can make money
> providing consulting for Npgsql, that makes it commercial or at least
> the opportunity for it to be commercial.
>
> Not to be pedantic but let's be accurate with our data. We are database
> people after all :)

Thank you for the correction.

Although I'd say that the fact that you can make money by consulting
for something does not make it commercial software. Maybe I'm wrong.

But it is of course possible to forbid people to use your open source
software unless they pay for it, which would make it commercial
in my eyes.

This is getting off topic, sorry.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:22:46AM +0200, Albe Laurenz wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >> Question 1 is wrong, because Npgsql is no commercial .NET data provider.
> >> That's the main advantage: it is open source.
> >
> > This is actually a misconception. Open Source doesn't disqualify it as
> > commercial. It disqualifies it as proprietary. I can make money
> > providing consulting for Npgsql, that makes it commercial or at least
> > the opportunity for it to be commercial.
> >
> > Not to be pedantic but let's be accurate with our data. We are database
> > people after all :)
>
> Thank you for the correction.
>
> Although I'd say that the fact that you can make money by consulting
> for something does not make it commercial software. Maybe I'm wrong.

"Commercial" means, "used in commerce."  It has nothing to do with the
terms under which the software's source code is (or is not) available.

> But it is of course possible to forbid people to use your open
> source software unless they pay for it, which would make it
> commercial in my eyes.

That would make it *proprietary*, as no FLOSS license allows such a
restriction.

> This is getting off topic, sorry.

Vaguely.  Has that stopped us before? ;)

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 02:12, Peeyush <peeyush_jain@persistent.co.in> wrote:
>
> Sorry missed the attachment L
>

No problem.

Thanks for the document with feature list of dotConnect.
I'll create one for Npgsql which can give more information. Npgsql is
missing a list like that for a long time.

Another missing feature from the list is the design time support. We
are working on that although we don't anything ready yet.

We also don't have something like pgdump or pgloader.

We don't have compact framework support


Those are the biggest features we are lacking. I can see a lot more
compared to dotConnect which we still would need to work on.

As soon as I compile the list I'll let you know.

Thanks for your interest in Npgsql. Your feedback also is very nice so
we can improve even more Npgsql.


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> From: Peeyush [mailto:peeyush_jain@persistent.co.in]
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:37 AM
> To: 'francisco@npgsql.org'
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> Cc: 'pgsql-general@postgresql.org'; 'npgsql-devel'
> Subject: RE: [GENERAL] need information
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot for kind information.
>
>
>
> Currently I am investigating on Npgsql and dotConnect …… because we have feature list of dotConnect I attached the
samefor your quick reference but we don’t have in Npgsql. If you can help me in this then it will be greatful for me. 
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>
>
> Thanks & regards,
>
> Peeyush Jain | Software Engineer –Netezza Dev | Persistent Systems Ltd
>
> peeyush_jain@persistent.co.in  | Cell: +91 9373069475 | Tel: +91 (20) 3023 6762
>
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: francisco.figueiredo.jr@gmail.com [mailto:francisco.figueiredo.jr@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Figueiredo
Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:40 PM
> To: Peeyush
> Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org; npgsql-devel
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] need information
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:57, Peeyush <peeyush_jain@persistent.co.in> wrote:
>
> > Hey guys,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Peeyush!
>
>
>
> > I need some information on
>
> >
>
> > 1. What are the best features of Npgsql product as compare to other
>
> > commercial .net data providers?
>
> >
>
>
>
> Well, the first one is that it is opensource. :)
>
>
>
> We are working actively on it and we try to provide as fast as
>
> possible the features our users need. Although some times we don't
>
> deliver them as fast as we wished :(
>
>
>
> We already have a very nice code base which can give you almost
>
> anything you would need in your programs.
>
>
>
> Please, give it a try and let us know what you think.
>
>
>
>
>
> > 2. If you have encountered any major problems, bugs or performance issue
>
> > etc... With this product?
>
> >
>
>
>
> Well, one of the biggest performance problems we have but we already
>
> did some performance tunning is with bytea handling. It used to take a
>
> lot of time with large data.
>
>
>
> Our current performance problem is with prepared statements. Npgsql
>
> still needs some tunning on this.
>
>
>
>
>
> I think this is it for while.
>
>
>
> As Albe already said, you would get a good feedback if you post your
>
> question to our forum.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> I hope it helps.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> >
>
> > Peeyush Jain| Software Engineer –Netezza Dev | Persistent Systems Ltd
>
> >
>
> > peeyush_jain@persistent.co.in  | Cell: +91 9373069475 | Tel: +91 (20) 3023
>
> > 6762
>
> >
>
> > Innovation in software product design, development and delivery-
>
> > www.persistentsys.com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Francisco Figueiredo Jr.
>
> Npgsql Lead Developer
>
> http://www.npgsql.org
>
> http://fxjr.blogspot.com
>
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>
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