Thread: Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:16:05 GMT, Stephan Szabo <sszabo@bigpanda.com>
wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:26:42 GMT, Stephan Szabo <sszabo@bigpanda.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Robert G" <robertg07@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello Mike. A number of us from the mailing list have been discussing
>>>>this on the back channel (e-mail). At least ten people that I am aware
>>>>of are not in favor of this idea. Your efforts are appreciated, to a
>>>>point, but I do prefer if you just left things well enough alone. You
>>>>took this initiative without notifying the mailing list proper. I saw
>>>>that you posted to the Newsgroup side, but your posts did not reach the
>>>>e-list. It is one-sided, and many of us prefer to keep it that way. A
>>>
>>>I personally haven't seen too much discussion on this subject on the mailing
>>>list proper, either (perhaps because the weekend traffic tends to be low) so
>>>I think it's too early to be saying things like "many of us" speaking for the
>>>mailing list.
>>>
>>>Besides which, AFAICT the mailing list gateway is not one-sided given that
>>>I seem to be able to post to my usenet server giving my subscribed email
>>>address and have it show up on the mailing list.
>>
>>
>>The groups aren't listed as moderated. Anyone who wants to post is
>>able to. Those not on the mailing list don't go through. That's the
>>problem.
>
>As far as I know, they do go through after moderation currently.
>
>As for "the problem," I can't figure out if you are speaking about the
>current state or the proposal. If the former, given that the current
>state is AFAIK that the groups have no status at all, I can't see how
>not being listed as moderated has any effect.
User makes a comment in USENet. Post gets seen on usenet servers
around the world. Moderator chooses not to approve. Post remains in
USENet, not in email list. Later, someone replies to usenet post.
Moderator accepts. Now people on list see that they didn't get to see
the post being replied to.
If the groups are moderated, the moderator gets _ALL_ posts before
they appear in the group.
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > User makes a comment in USENet. Post gets seen on usenet servers around > the world. Moderator chooses not to approve. Unless ist Spam, moderator always approves ... I know, cause its me ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
At 11:48 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote: >On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > >>At 11:01 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: >>>On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: >>> >>>>User makes a comment in USENet. Post gets seen on usenet servers around >>>>the world. Moderator chooses not to approve. >>>Unless ist Spam, moderator always approves ... I know, cause its me ... >> >> >>Always? Then why moderate? > >Because 99% of what I have to check through is spam, which does get >refused, as I state above ... > >>Someone asks a question in USENet. Two other people reply in USENet but >>both with an incorret answer. You approve the original message hours or >>maybe even a day later. (You're not up 24x7) people on the list post >>answers. A while later they see the incorrect answeres and reply to >>them.l Meanwhile original poster has already acted on incorrect information. > >This could just as easily happen the other way around too ... someone >posts, moderator lets it through, seperate ppl on the lists themselves >post incorrect answer but someone that I haven't approved yet posts the >right one ... It's not the same. Your list may not see the post for days. USENet is faster than that. >>You approve an email. It goes to a server not currently carrying the >>groups and gets marked as received but not valid group. Email never >>makes it to a server after the site refusing it. Some sites have it some >>sites don't. Each with different message ID's most likely. > >then the site after it wouldn't have received any of teh original messages >either . It receives those posted to USENet just as it would any other group. That's why those gated don't make it to databasix.com for days after they're actually posted. So each appears twice. Once as the original USENet post and once as a post forwarded by you. If all the groups were set to moderated and sent on to you instead of being immediately posted, that part of the probem would go away. >.. and message-ids don't change ...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > It receives those posted to USENet just as it would any other group. > That's why those gated don't make it to databasix.com for days after > they're actually posted. So each appears twice. Once as the original > USENet post and once as a post forwarded by you. 'k, then I do have something mis-configured, as I thought I had originally configured it to honor MSG-IDs in both directions as well ... will look into this ... > If all the groups were set to moderated and sent on to you instead of > being immediately posted, that part of the probem would go away. Note that I have no problem with it being set as moderated, but the 'moderator address' would be the list itself (ie. pgsql-general@postgresql.org) ... of course, that still doesn't fix the case where someone on the lists themselves will go through fast, while someone not subscribe will get held up ... so, from my perspective, there are no changes *shrug* ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664