Thread: OT: This list is Razored
Will the user who is autosubmitting emails from this list to the Razor spam blacklist *please* stop it, otherwise I'm going to start revoking every message you submit. Hmm, come to think of it, that wouldn't be such a bad idea anyway, since anyone who submits mails to a blacklist without checking them first deserves to be shot. -- Alastair D'Silva mob: 0413 485 733 Networking Consultant fax: 0413 181 661 New Millennium Networking web: http://www.newmillennium.net.au
The solution to spam is going to have hiccups, that's for sure! And it's only started. Fro example, if I use an Access Control List for blocking unwanted email, I will get the email form thsi group fine. But everyone who cc's me as they reply to the email (or visa versa, I've nerver been on a group that had the headers set up as the poster is the from and the list is the cc before coming to this list) everybody's post could be returned to them. But ACL's are pretty good to use, esepcially in combination with a content filter for blocking spoofed addresses. Evenually it's going to take lock and key approach with PGP signings. So, I agree it's STUPID to submit this list to the Razor site, but this stuff will get more common as we start getting serious about trying to stomp out spammers. 2/6/2003 3:28:04 PM, "Alastair D'Silva" <deece@newmillennium.net.au> wrote: >Will the user who is autosubmitting emails from this list to the Razor >spam blacklist *please* stop it, otherwise I'm going to start revoking >every message you submit. > >Hmm, come to think of it, that wouldn't be such a bad idea anyway, since >anyone who submits mails to a blacklist without checking them first >deserves to be shot. > >-- >Alastair D'Silva mob: 0413 485 733 >Networking Consultant fax: 0413 181 661 >New Millennium Networking web: http://www.newmillennium.net.au > > >---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 15:47, greg@mail.netio.org wrote:
> The problem is all the people that were subscribed to this list and now
> can't get off!!!!!!!
>
> I'm in that list. I'm about to take similar actions.
>
> And don't tell me to go check the web site, or use X commands, I've DONE
> IT. I've also contacted people that appear to run the list, NO REPLY. Are
> you a list maintainer???? If so, then you can do the list a great service
> by getting those that want off OFF the list!!!
>
> In my case, I have several email addresses, some old ones too, that all
> come into a single account. The headers sent by the list do not include
> the actual address that the messages are sent to. This means that the
> message is in my inbox, AND the headers tell me no information about what
> address is subscribed. I don't know what address is supplied. I've tried
> to unsubscribe the most likely addresses, but majordomo says they are not
> subscribed.
>
You really haven't tried very hard have you? Looking at the email
headers from anything in any of the pgsql mailing lists will show this
header:
Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [64.49.215.8]) by
relay2.pgsql.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628EDEE14D8 for
<YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS HERE>; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:32:36 -0500 (EST)
Total time to find the subscribed email address in the headers: 10
seconds. Therefore, I propose that you are one or more of the following:
1. A Moron
2. Ignorant
3. American (note: this isn't intended as a slight against Americans,
its just that a lot of media coverage of them here in Aus shows them as
always trying to blame others for their problems).
Now, take this email address, and go read the web page.
> So, if someone else is in the same position, then why shouldn't they
> blacklist this? HMM??? Seems reasonable. And if enough people get annoyed
> perhaps then someone will do something and get those that want off OFF!
>
This is clearly abuse of the Razor system, is damaging to the PostgreSQL
community, and increases the load on the Razor servers. Theres nothing
to stop you directing mails to /dev/null if you really don't want them,
or even just bouncing them (In fact, a bounce is the best way to handle
it, as many mailing list packages will keep bounces aside and
unsubscribe them if they bounce again).
I would suggest that you take your "poor little me, I'm all lost and
confused" attitude and try and help yourself, perhaps by doing some of
the things you have said you've done.
--
Alastair D'Silva <deece@newmillennium.net.au>
New Millennium Networking
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 08:44:34 -0800, Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net> wrote: > Fro example, if I use an Access Control List for blocking unwanted email, I will get the email > form thsi group fine. But everyone who cc's me as they reply to the email (or visa versa, I've > nerver been on a group that had the headers set up as the poster is the from and the list is the > cc before coming to this list) everybody's post could be returned to them. But ACL's are pretty > good to use, esepcially in combination with a content filter for blocking spoofed addresses. > Evenually it's going to take lock and key approach with PGP signings. It is fairly normal on technical lists not to mung the reply-to headers. If you use follow-up-to headers you can tell (at least some) mail clients that you are subscribed to the list and don't want to be included on the cc header. If you aren't worried about people trying to reply just to you and sending to the list, you can set up your mail client to set the reply-to header to the list when sending to or cc'ing the list (at least with some mail clients).
>>>>> "DG" == Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net> writes: DG> So, I agree it's STUPID to submit this list to the Razor site, but DG> this stuff will get more common as we start getting serious about DG> trying to stomp out spammers. There are people who do this on purpose to poison the lists such as Razor. That's why Razor2 has reporting credentials and revocation, so these bad reporters can be ignored (until they make new IDs...) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/
There sure is a lot to the mail protocol, more to learn here I see! Thanks Bruno. 2/6/2003 1:37:43 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to> wrote: >On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 08:44:34 -0800, > Dennis Gearon <gearond@cvc.net> wrote: >> Fro example, if I use an Access Control List for blocking unwanted email, I will get the email >> form thsi group fine. But everyone who cc's me as they reply to the email (or visa versa, I've >> nerver been on a group that had the headers set up as the poster is the from and the list is the >> cc before coming to this list) everybody's post could be returned to them. But ACL's are pretty >> good to use, esepcially in combination with a content filter for blocking spoofed addresses. >> Evenually it's going to take lock and key approach with PGP signings. > >It is fairly normal on technical lists not to mung the reply-to headers. >If you use follow-up-to headers you can tell (at least some) mail clients >that you are subscribed to the list and don't want to be included on the >cc header. >If you aren't worried about people trying to reply just to you and sending >to the list, you can set up your mail client to set the reply-to header >to the list when sending to or cc'ing the list (at least with some mail >clients). >
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 02:04, Alastair D'Silva wrote: > 3. American (note: this isn't intended as a slight against Americans, > its just that a lot of media coverage of them here in Aus shows them as > always trying to blame others for their problems). > All right that's it! Once we're done with Saddam you guys are next!! Robert Treat (I think the best part is that I think everyone running this listserv is either Canadian or Australian) :-) :-)