Thread: The service did not respond to the start..
Hi, I am newbie in this area, I have read more e-mails in this list in order to put my postgresql under cygwin as services (ipc-daemon and postmaster) and I cannot start any of these services (on win XP). I have followed the instructions on EJIP help file. It didn't worked for me. The message from the AdministrativeTools->Services when I try to start the CygWin IPC Daemon is: Error 1053: The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion. Somebody can help me? Liviu. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
Can you run the ipc-daemon from cygwin bash (ie ipc-daemon &)? If not it might be that the files in /tmp needs deleting (or use the actual ipc tools to clean up). Hope this helps, - Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: Liviu Taloi [mailto:ltaloi@yahoo.com] > Sent: 06 May 2002 10:46 > To: pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > Subject: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > > Hi, > I am newbie in this area, I have read more e-mails in > this list in order to put my postgresql under cygwin > as services (ipc-daemon and postmaster) and I cannot > start any of these services (on win XP). > I have followed the instructions on EJIP help file. > It didn't worked for me. > The message from the AdministrativeTools->Services > when I try to start the CygWin IPC Daemon is: > Error 1053: The service did not respond to the start > or control request in a timely fashion. > Somebody can help me? > Liviu. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly >
Yes, the ipc-daemon starts from the cygwin prompt with: > ipc-dameon & But this way it is not a service, a NT/XP service. Thx. Liviu. --- "Henshall, Stuart - WCP" <SHenshall@westcountrypublications.co.uk> wrote: > Can you run the ipc-daemon from cygwin bash (ie > ipc-daemon &)? > If not it might be that the files in /tmp needs > deleting (or use the actual > ipc tools to clean up). > Hope this helps, > - Stuart __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
I've never installed on XP, just NT4. All I needed to do was to do ipc-daemon --install-as-service This worked for me. I then altered the user to be able to ustalise that users cygwin settings by going into services from the control panel and getting the startup for cygwin ipc daemon, then told it to log in as this account using my postgres account. Hope this helps, - Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: Liviu Taloi [mailto:ltaloi@yahoo.com] > > Yes, the ipc-daemon starts from the cygwin prompt > with: > > ipc-dameon & > But this way it is not a service, a NT/XP service. > Thx. > Liviu. > --- "Henshall, Stuart - WCP" > <SHenshall@westcountrypublications.co.uk> wrote: > > Can you run the ipc-daemon from cygwin bash (ie > > ipc-daemon &)? > > If not it might be that the files in /tmp needs > > deleting (or use the actual > > ipc tools to clean up). > > Hope this helps, > > - Stuart > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com >
I've also had trouble getting ipc-daemon to run reliably as a service on XP. I'll be looking into this very closely next week, since we've already sold a product that relies on that working well. Can anyone else chime in on ipc-daemon on XP? I've had about a 40% success history in which it just works. On Thu, 9 May 2002, Liviu Taloi wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Liviu Taloi <ltaloi@yahoo.com> > To: "Henshall, Stuart - WCP" <SHenshall@westcountrypublications.co.uk>, > pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > Yes, the ipc-daemon starts from the cygwin prompt > with: > > ipc-dameon & > But this way it is not a service, a NT/XP service. > Thx. > Liviu. > --- "Henshall, Stuart - WCP" > <SHenshall@westcountrypublications.co.uk> wrote: > > Can you run the ipc-daemon from cygwin bash (ie > > ipc-daemon &)? > > If not it might be that the files in /tmp needs > > deleting (or use the actual > > ipc tools to clean up). > > Hope this helps, > > - Stuart > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > Mike
i have had very inconsistent behaviour running the ipc-daemon as a service on win2k. for whatever reason on some machines it will start up fine every time i restart the machine. on other machines it requires me to manually go into the services control panel and start it up. i have no idea what the differences are so i don't know if it is a config error on my part or a bug on the daemon's part. right now i'm betting on config error... :( rjsjr > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-cygwin-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-cygwin-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of > Henshall, Stuart > - WCP > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:35 AM > To: 'Liviu Taloi'; pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > > I've never installed on XP, just NT4. > All I needed to do was to do ipc-daemon --install-as-service > This worked for me. > I then altered the user to be able to ustalise that users > cygwin settings by going into services from the control panel > and getting the startup for cygwin ipc daemon, then told it to > log in as this account using my postgres account. > Hope this helps, > - Stuart > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Liviu Taloi [mailto:ltaloi@yahoo.com] > > > > Yes, the ipc-daemon starts from the cygwin prompt > > with: > > > ipc-dameon & > > But this way it is not a service, a NT/XP service. > > Thx. > > Liviu. > > --- "Henshall, Stuart - WCP" > > <SHenshall@westcountrypublications.co.uk> wrote: > > > Can you run the ipc-daemon from cygwin bash (ie > > > ipc-daemon &)? > > > If not it might be that the files in /tmp needs > > > deleting (or use the actual > > > ipc tools to clean up). > > > Hope this helps, > > > - Stuart > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html >
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Adler [mailto:adler@glimpser.org] > Sent: 09 May 2002 16:40 > To: Liviu Taloi > Cc: Henshall, Stuart - WCP; pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > > > I've also had trouble getting ipc-daemon to run reliably as a > service on XP. I'll be looking into this very closely next > week, since we've already sold a product that relies on that > working well. > > Can anyone else chime in on ipc-daemon on XP? I've had about > a 40% success history in which it just works. I've had similar troubles with recent versions but find that 1.09 runs well on XP & 2K Pro using the Local System account. I've used it with 7.1, 7.2 and recent 7.3 dev snapshots with no problems at all, even running 7.2 & 7.3 simultaneously. Note that this is on my laptop, so the load is next to zero. I've never tried it with any production apps. Regards, Dave.
Dave - Thanks for the tip. Do you explicitly set the SYSTEM user, or does that happen automatically when you don't specify a user? With win2k, I don't specify a user and uses SYSTEM, which works well for me. In winXP, I haven't specified a user and I see it running as "Everyone". I haven't poked around with this much recently, but I will in the next week. Mike Adler On Thu, 9 May 2002, Dave Page wrote: > > I've also had trouble getting ipc-daemon to run reliably as a > > service on XP. I'll be looking into this very closely next > > week, since we've already sold a product that relies on that > > working well. > > > > Can anyone else chime in on ipc-daemon on XP? I've had about > > a 40% success history in which it just works. > > I've had similar troubles with recent versions but find that 1.09 runs > well on XP & 2K Pro using the Local System account. > > I've used it with 7.1, 7.2 and recent 7.3 dev snapshots with no problems > at all, even running 7.2 & 7.3 simultaneously. Note that this is on my > laptop, so the load is next to zero. I've never tried it with any > production apps. > > Regards, Dave. > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org > Mike
I had a similar problem with the Postgres service itself on Win2k. Sometimes it would start automatically, and sometimes it would require a manual start. This problem was caused because it was trying to start the postgres service before the network services had started (e.g. the tcpip service). I was able to solve this problem by making my postgres service dependent on the tcpip service and the LanmanWorkstation service, like this cygrunsrv --install postmaster --path /usr/bin/postmaster --args "-i" --dep ipc-daemon --dep LanmanWorkstation --dep tcpip --termsig INT --user administrator --shutdown Perhaps the ipc-daemon service is having a similar issue on your box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert J. Sanford, Jr." <rsanford@trefs.com> To: <pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > i have had very inconsistent behaviour running the ipc-daemon > as a service on win2k. for whatever reason on some machines it > will start up fine every time i restart the machine. on other > machines it requires me to manually go into the services control > panel and start it up. i have no idea what the differences are > so i don't know if it is a config error on my part or a bug on > the daemon's part. right now i'm betting on config error... :( > > rjsjr > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pgsql-cygwin-owner@postgresql.org > > [mailto:pgsql-cygwin-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of > > Henshall, Stuart > > - WCP > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:35 AM > > To: 'Liviu Taloi'; pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > > Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > > > > > I've never installed on XP, just NT4. > > All I needed to do was to do ipc-daemon --install-as-service > > This worked for me. > > I then altered the user to be able to ustalise that users > > cygwin settings by going into services from the control panel > > and getting the startup for cygwin ipc daemon, then told it to > > log in as this account using my postgres account. > > Hope this helps, > > - Stuart > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Liviu Taloi [mailto:ltaloi@yahoo.com] > > > > > > Yes, the ipc-daemon starts from the cygwin prompt > > > with: > > > > ipc-dameon & > > > But this way it is not a service, a NT/XP service. > > > Thx. > > > Liviu. > > > --- "Henshall, Stuart - WCP" > > > <SHenshall@westcountrypublications.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Can you run the ipc-daemon from cygwin bash (ie > > > > ipc-daemon &)? > > > > If not it might be that the files in /tmp needs > > > > deleting (or use the actual > > > > ipc tools to clean up). > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > - Stuart > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of > > broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org
Robert,
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:48:47AM -0500, Robert J. Sanford, Jr. wrote:
> i have had very inconsistent behaviour running the ipc-daemon
> as a service on win2k. for whatever reason on some machines it
> will start up fine every time i restart the machine. on other
> machines it requires me to manually go into the services control
> panel and start it up. i have no idea what the differences are
> so i don't know if it is a config error on my part or a bug on
> the daemon's part. right now i'm betting on config error... :(
My WAG is that the start-up problem is a service dependency issue.
See the following for a starting point:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2002-04/msg01578.html
I would try Tcpip (which is a driver not a service) first.
I encourage those whose try this and are successful to post to the list
so this is finally captured in the archives.
Thanks,
Jason
Dave, On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 04:55:11PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Adler [mailto:adler@glimpser.org] > > Sent: 09 May 2002 16:40 > > Can anyone else chime in on ipc-daemon on XP? I've had about > > a 40% success history in which it just works. > > I've had similar troubles with recent versions but find that 1.09 runs > well on XP & 2K Pro using the Local System account. We really should try to solve this problem with the current cygipc before downgrading in defeat. Sorry, but I can't reproduce this problem so I can't help to debug. Jason
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Tishler [mailto:jason@tishler.net] > Sent: 09 May 2002 17:52 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Michael Adler; Liviu Taloi; Henshall, Stuart - WCP; > pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > > Dave, > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 04:55:11PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Adler [mailto:adler@glimpser.org] > > > Sent: 09 May 2002 16:40 > > > Can anyone else chime in on ipc-daemon on XP? I've had about > > > a 40% success history in which it just works. > > > > I've had similar troubles with recent versions but find > that 1.09 runs > > well on XP & 2K Pro using the Local System account. > > We really should try to solve this problem with the current > cygipc before downgrading in defeat. Sorry, but I can't > reproduce this problem so I can't help to debug. I'm all for fixing these things, but at the time (aside from needing to get things working so I could work on pgAdmin) I had just read a message (I think from you in fact) about the upcoming builtin ipc support in Cygwin and having seen no other reports of similar problems figured that it was something peculiar to my system (which does get hacked about a fair bit) and wasn't worth the trouble anyway as it would soon be obsolete. Of course, in hindsight I was probably 100% wrong but hey, why break the habit of a lifetime :-) Regards, Dave. BTW Are you aware there is currently a rather busy thread about native Windows/Beos ports on -hackers which is currently drifting towards a cutdown Cygwin version?
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Adler [mailto:adler@glimpser.org] > Sent: 09 May 2002 17:28 > To: Dave Page > Cc: pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > > > Dave - > > Thanks for the tip. > > Do you explicitly set the SYSTEM user, or does that happen > automatically when you don't specify a user? > > With win2k, I don't specify a user and uses SYSTEM, which > works well for me. In winXP, I haven't specified a user and I > see it running as "Everyone". I haven't poked around with > this much recently, but I will in the next week. Can't remember to be honest, whilst I try to help Jason out whenever I can with Cygwin stuff (not very often if the truth be known), most of my time is spent on pgAdmin & psqlODBC stuff so my aim was just to get it going on my new laptop and then carry on developing. Regards, Dave.
Dave, On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:51:33PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > BTW Are you aware there is currently a rather busy thread about native > Windows/Beos ports on -hackers... No, I'm not subscribed, but I just read all that I could find in the archives. A lot of interesting ideas, very different perspectives, good information, bad (i.e., incorrect) information, etc... In general, a good read. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. > ...which is currently drifting towards a cutdown Cygwin version? Maybe I'll be out of (another) job soon? :,) Jason
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Tishler [mailto:jason@tishler.net] > Sent: 09 May 2002 21:52 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Michael Adler; Liviu Taloi; Henshall, Stuart - WCP; > pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [CYGWIN] The service did not respond to the start.. > > > Dave, > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:51:33PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > BTW Are you aware there is currently a rather busy thread > about native > > Windows/Beos ports on -hackers... > > No, I'm not subscribed, but I just read all that I could find > in the archives. A lot of interesting ideas, very different > perspectives, good information, bad (i.e., incorrect) > information, etc... In general, a good read. Thanks for > bringing this to my attention. > > > ...which is currently drifting towards a cutdown Cygwin version? > > Maybe I'll be out of (another) job soon? :,) Nah, I wouldn't have thought so. Just less time on the same old 'why does initdb hang?' or 'why did it go horribly wrong when I used Winzip' questions (and of course, the builds) and more time on the real bugs and optimisations. Personnally, I think (from a 'good for PostgreSQL' rather than 'good for Cygwin' perspective) that the way forward is a Cygwin based system but using a tailored downloader/installer that installs the system 'like a Windows app' (and quickly & easily etc.) rather than the current way which is Windows 'being' *nix. I think that's very offputting for many potential users (as others have said on the -hackers thread). Anyway, if that's the way it goes, I'm sure our resident Cygwin expert will still find plenty to keep himself amused :-) Regards, Dave.
Dave,
Would you forward this to pgsql-hackers since I'm not subscribed?
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:45:42PM +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Tishler [mailto:jason@tishler.net]
> > Sent: 09 May 2002 21:52
> > To: Dave Page
> >
> > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:51:33PM +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> > > BTW Are you aware there is currently a rather busy thread
> > > about native Windows/Beos ports on -hackers...
> >
> > No, I'm not subscribed, but I just read all that I could find
> > in the archives.
> > [snip]
> >
> > > ...which is currently drifting towards a cutdown Cygwin version?
> >
> > Maybe I'll be out of (another) job soon? :,)
>
> [snip]
>
> Personnally, I think (from a 'good for PostgreSQL' rather than 'good for
> Cygwin' perspective) that the way forward is a Cygwin based system but
> using a tailored downloader/installer that installs the system 'like a
> Windows app' (and quickly & easily etc.) rather than the current way
> which is Windows 'being' *nix. I think that's very offputting for many
> potential users (as others have said on the -hackers thread).
I agree with the above, but more can be done with Cygwin and its setup.exe
that can give a fair amount of bang for the buck for some good short
time gains too. I will give some details below.
I also wanted to dispel some misinformation (IMO) that I perceived from
the above mentioned posts and/or elaborate on some of the items:
1. Cygwin's setup.exe supports categories and dependencies. Hence,
there is no reason to install all Cygwin packages in order to ensure
properly PostgreSQL operation. Someone just has to determine what is
the minimal set of packages necessary for PostgreSQL and I will update
the setup.hint accordingly. The current setup.hint is as follows:
sdesc: "PostgreSQL Data Base Management System"
category: Database
requires: ash cygwin readline zlib libreadline5
Sorry, but since I install all Cygwin packages plus about 30 additional
ones I haven't desire to determine what are the minimal requirements.
2. Cygwin's setup.exe is customizable. There is a tool called "upset"
that generates the setup.ini file that drives setup.exe. PostgreSQL could
offer a customized setup. For example, this is what the XEmacs folks
are doing.
3. Cygwin's setup.exe can run package specific postinstall scripts during
the installation. Hence, someone could automate the steps enumerated
(e.g., postmaster NT service installation, initdb, etc.) in my README:
http://www.tishler.net/jason/software/postgresql/postgresql-7.2.1.README
to ease the installation burden.
4. Cygwin PostgreSQL is perceived to have poor performance. I have
never done any benchmarks regarding this issue, but apparently Terry
Carlin (from the defunct Great Bridge) did:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-cygwin/2001-08/msg00029.php
Specifically, he indicates the following:
BTW, Up through 40 users, PostgreSQL under CYGWIN using the TPC-C
benchmark performed very much the same as Linux PostgreSQL on the
exact hardware.
5. Cygwin PostgreSQL is perceived to have poor reliability.
Unfortunately, I have not been able to gather data to concur or refute
this perception due a sudden job "change" last summer. :,) However,
there are reports such as the following on the pgsql-cygwin list:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-cygwin/2002-04/msg00021.php
IMO, the biggest reliability issue with Cygwin PostgreSQL is it's
dependency on cygipc. There is some very recent work to create a Cygwin
daemon to support features such as System V IPC. So soon the cygipc
dependency and its "problems" will be going way.
Those interested in a "Windows" PostgreSQL should possibly consider
contributing in this area or other "hard edges" (due to Windows-isms)
that would improve the reliability of Cygwin PostgreSQL. BTW, I have
found the Cygwin core developers very responsive to PostgreSQL problems
because it drives the Cygwin DLL harder than most other applications.
6. Satisfying the Cygwin license for binary distribution is very simple.
Just include the source for the Cygwin DLL and all executables that are
linked with it in your distribution package. It is really that easy.
Jason