Thread: Oracle's letter to Russian IT companies
Yesterday one of the major Russian business newspapers ("Vedomosti" -- it's like Financial Times or WSJ in Russia) published an interesting article http://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2016/03/17/633926-importnii-soft-zamenit (in Russian, sorry – please use Google Translate).
It says that Oracle Corp. sent a special Postgres-related letter to at least several big Russian IT companies. In the letter Oracle is suggesting the ways to protect Oracle DBMS from migration to Postgres in government organizations and big Russian companies where many years Oracle was the default DBMS choice. https://gist.github.com/NikolayS/1bbc624dfc088be6f15c
– so it really looks like Oracle Corp. claims that Postgres is worse than Oracle in literally everything: performance, reliability, security, manageability, scalability, etc. Even (sic!) the Total Cost of Ownership is among the properties they are referring to.
I think that this doc proves that Oracle knows pretty well were their Oracle partners/distributors interests lie (simply saying "bigger the price – better revenue for both") and sending it Oracle tries to help distributors to protect their mutual $-related interest showing how to behave. The thing is that doc in many its claims is wrong. But in many cases in will work and final customer will receive solution that was chosen not on his best interest ("quality/cost") but rather on the interest of Oracle and its distributors.
It's poorly written in terms of Russian grammar, and contains factual mistakes (e.g. the claim about lack of XML/JSON in Postgres), but nevertheless is official comparison from Oracle and underlines many Oracle's strong features.
Is it worth to react somehow on this?
If yes – anyone interested in creation of similar document which will prove that Postgres in many cases *is* a good substitution? I'd translate it and publish in Russian, and spread among journalists.
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> Nikolay Samokhvalov <samokhvalov@gmail.com> hat am 19. März 2016 um 01:42
> geschrieben:
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> Yesterday one of the major Russian business newspapers ("Vedomosti" -- it's
> like Financial Times or WSJ in Russia) published an interesting article
> http://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2016/03/17/633926-importnii-soft-zamenit
> (in Russian, sorry – please use Google Translate).
>
> – so it really looks like Oracle Corp. claims that Postgres is worse than
> Oracle in literally everything: performance, reliability, security,
> manageability, scalability, etc. Even (sic!) the Total Cost of Ownership is
> among the properties they are referring to.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you
win.
(Gandhi)
SCNR.
Regards.
--
Andreas Kretschmer
http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
>> Yesterday one of the major Russian business newspapers ("Vedomosti" -- it's
>> like Financial Times or WSJ in Russia) published an interesting article
>> http://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2016/03/17/633926-importnii-soft-zamenit
>> (in Russian, sorry $(Q#|(B please use Google Translate).
>>
>
>> $(Q#|(B so it really looks like Oracle Corp. claims that Postgres is worse than
>> Oracle in literally everything: performance, reliability, security,
>> manageability, scalability, etc. Even (sic!) the Total Cost of Ownership is
>> among the properties they are referring to.
>
>
> First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you
> win.
> (Gandhi)
Great words!
Best regards,
--
Tatsuo Ishii
SRA OSS, Inc. Japan
English: http://www.sraoss.co.jp/index_en.php
Japanese:http://www.sraoss.co.jp
>
> First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you
> win.
> (Gandhi)
>
This is definitely true, i love it.
When ppl ignored you, especially related to what u believe, just keep walking, if you are right, eventually you will reach you goal.
>
> SCNR.
>
>
> Regards.
> --
> Andreas Kretschmer
> http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
> PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
>
>
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On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 02:35:54PM +0800, julyanto SUTANDANG wrote: > > > > > First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you > > win. > > (Gandhi) > > > This is definitely true, i love it. > When ppl ignored you, especially related to what u believe, just keep walking, > if you are right, eventually you will reach you goal. In a way it is a sign of Postgres's success that Oracle is reacting to us in such a strong way, at least in Russia. I think this is a gauge of how how Oracle will handle us in other countries too in the future. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + + Roman grave inscription +
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 02:35:54PM +0800, julyanto SUTANDANG wrote: >> >> > >> > First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you >> > win. >> > (Gandhi) >> > >> This is definitely true, i love it. >> When ppl ignored you, especially related to what u believe, just keep walking, >> if you are right, eventually you will reach you goal. > > In a way it is a sign of Postgres's success that Oracle is reacting to > us in such a strong way, at least in Russia. I think this is a gauge of > how how Oracle will handle us in other countries too in the future. Having a look at the revenue of Oracle in Russia after the beginning of this law for 2016Q1, including Y2Y growth, would give a good insight of how things are involving there. With the existence of this letter, anybody could assume that it took a serious hit... -- Michael