Thread: PostgreSQL to detect nuclear explosions
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 12.06.2015 um 11:26 schrieb damien clochard: > > https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 > You just have to love public corporations... RATP asks for RHEL 5.4 and Postgres 8.4.10 (if I read that correctly). - -- Gunnar "Nick" Bluth RHCE/SCLA Mobil +49 172 8853339 Email: gunnar.bluth@pro-open.de _____________________________________________________________ In 1984 mainstream users were choosing VMS over UNIX. Ten years later they are choosing Windows over UNIX. What part of that message aren't you getting? - Tom Payne -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVeqw2AAoJEBAQrmsyiTOMjnwH/2FoDTTGDMhuk4F3Yx+Xxd8X dmnD9BdMlZxNUTE6Xc9otJHHzJfn5R48spyhug+y3Ae7eqqVUCeWKHmKpA0pEIhH 9uIjyjsi9rCQvhdtLgN0qNOb7h9Hn9VD9+b/hcDIaK4vNtfRZXrqpOr4OYIYC07u CuP277lypaKESUkupUN2REhRoHcNKOoszPaJU3sl94LJ1lBF8UR4J+4qzY1n99ka u9QNcmli7g9MOwA3Xv0OqIRXQNxWO5pAEz0xVpiRpr4euWWPFYg7vZSjS0NUFMfm PDZURPoySwXIiVn/baUK/CJnnMbmOyMXZ8/fzraxD3n3u99KV0Fq4Fv1VeWuQRU= =xOwS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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On 12/06/2015 19:23, Gunnar "Nick" Bluth wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am 12.06.2015 um 11:26 schrieb damien clochard: >> >> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 >> > You just have to love public corporations... RATP asks for RHEL 5.4 > and Postgres 8.4.10 (if I read that correctly). Don't forget the windows XP clients and the experience with php 5.1.6, apache 2.0, tomcat 5.5, jonas 4.5.3, Oracle 9.2 or postgresql 8.1 they want with your references. They list each application with their own server specs, RHEL ranges from 5.2 to 6.5 while postgresql ranges from 8.4.10 to 8.4.16. They do have one RHEL 6.5 running postgresql 9.3 As they are asking for maintenance I would fail to mention your ability to convince management to upgrade software when you apply. ;-) -- Shane Ambler pgSQL (at) Sheeky (dot) Biz
On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: > > https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 > > Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: > > > > https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 > > Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a > hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) Elephant in a hazmat suit! Cheers, David. -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter@gmail.com Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >> On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: >> > >> > https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 >> >> Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a >> hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) > > Elephant in a hazmat suit! This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. -- Michael
On 15/06/14 12:26, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >>> On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: >>>> >>>> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 >>> >>> Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a >>> hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) >> >> Elephant in a hazmat suit! > > This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. s/sensible/sensitive/ ;) Regards Ian Barwick -- Ian Barwick http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, RemoteDBA, Training & Services
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Ian Barwick <ian@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > On 15/06/14 12:26, Michael Paquier wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >>>> On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 >>>> >>>> Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a >>>> hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) >>> >>> Elephant in a hazmat suit! >> >> This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. > > s/sensible/sensitive/ ;) Right, sorry for the Frenglish. -- Michael
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:26:18PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: > >> > > >> > https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 > >> > >> Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a > >> hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) > > > > Elephant in a hazmat suit! > > This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. I'd think that preventing proliferation of nuclear weapons would be near and dear to the hearts of people in Japan, which is the only country thus far that has been attacked by another country with nuclear weapons. What am I missing? Cheers, David. -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter@gmail.com Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On 06/14/2015 10:59 AM, David Fetter wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:26:18PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >>>> On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 >>>> >>>> Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a >>>> hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) >>> >>> Elephant in a hazmat suit! >> >> This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. > > I'd think that preventing proliferation of nuclear weapons would be > near and dear to the hearts of people in Japan, which is the only > country thus far that has been attacked by another country with > nuclear weapons. > > What am I missing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster > > Cheers, > David. > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:02:30AM -0700, Adrian Klaver wrote: > On 06/14/2015 10:59 AM, David Fetter wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:26:18PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote: > >>On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: > >>>On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > >>>>On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 > >>>> > >>>>Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a > >>>>hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) > >>> > >>>Elephant in a hazmat suit! > >> > >>This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. > > > >I'd think that preventing proliferation of nuclear weapons would be > >near and dear to the hearts of people in Japan, which is the only > >country thus far that has been attacked by another country with > >nuclear weapons. > > > >What am I missing? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster So this is that big of a black eye. OK. As with the elephant logo[1], we should leave the hazmat suits to another year. Cheers, David. [1] http://www.japanfortheuninvited.com/articles/aum-shinrikyo.html -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter@gmail.com Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Le 14/06/2015 19:59, David Fetter a écrit : > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:26:18PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >>>> On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 >>>> >>>> Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a >>>> hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) >>> >>> Elephant in a hazmat suit! >> >> This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. > > I'd think that preventing proliferation of nuclear weapons would be > near and dear to the hearts of people in Japan, which is the only > country thus far that has been attacked by another country with > nuclear weapons. > > What am I missing? > While it's interesting to see PostgreSQL being used in the nuclear domain, I agree that it is not something worth promoting publicly. From a French perspective, the whole nuclear industry is nothing to be proud of. Areva, the French nuclear flagship, is currently struggling with : * technical failures on its new generation of reactors (EPR) http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/areva-nuclear-anomalies-idUSL6N0X41S920150407 http://www.dianuke.org/jaitapur-arevas-epr-an-industrial-failure-say-experts/ * political scandals : http://www.economist.com/node/21547812 * billion-dollar financial losses : http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/20/us-areva-results-idUSKBN0LO0OK20150220 * massive layouts : http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/07/us-areva-employment-cuts-idUSKBN0NS0SH20150507 * ... and an increasing number of accidents : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country#France I'm pretty sure we can choose some other industrial sectors to emphasize the rise of PostgreSQL.
On 15/06/2015 11:58, damien clochard wrote: > > > Le 14/06/2015 19:59, David Fetter a écrit : >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:26:18PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote: >>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >>>>> On 06/12/2015 02:26 AM, damien clochard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/143842 >>>>> >>>>> Seems like we should be able to get a t-shirt out of this. Or maybe a >>>>> hazmat suit with an elephant on it. ;-) >>>> >>>> Elephant in a hazmat suit! >>> >>> This may be a sensible topic for the Japanese audience.. >> >> I'd think that preventing proliferation of nuclear weapons would be >> near and dear to the hearts of people in Japan, which is the only >> country thus far that has been attacked by another country with >> nuclear weapons. >> >> What am I missing? >> > > While it's interesting to see PostgreSQL being used in the nuclear > domain, I agree that it is not something worth promoting publicly. > > From a French perspective, the whole nuclear industry is nothing to be > proud of. (...) > Surprisingly, the author entitled the article "PostgreSQL to detect nuclear explosions". But, the CEA is currently working on detecting and storing earth movement (earthquakes for instance). I don't understand what this political and anti-nuclear thread is doing here. -- Stéphane Schildknecht Contact régional PostgreSQL pour l'Europe francophone Loxodata - Conseil, expertise et formations 06.17.11.37.42
>> > > Surprisingly, the author entitled the article "PostgreSQL to detect nuclear > explosions". But, the CEA is currently working on detecting and storing earth > movement (earthquakes for instance). > > I don't understand what this political and anti-nuclear thread is doing here. > I see nothing political in this thread. The question is "Do we want to associate publicly the PostgreSQL brand to the nuclear industry ?" and it as nothing to do with every one own opinion about nuclear energy. The fact is that nuclear power is a very controversial subject in Japan and in France, which are two big markets for PostgreSQL. And it's not a good idea to emphasize the use of PostgreSQL in this domain because a lot of media will associate "nuclear" with the idea of "dangerous", "unsafe", "weapons", etc. The original article is a perfect example of that semantic slippery slope... As you have noticed : the original call for tenders from CEA is about monitoring earthquakes, something rather positive... and yet what did the journalists choose as a title ? "PostgreSQL to detect nuclear explosions" From a PR standpoint, the nuclear industry is prone to sensationalist headlines and it is perceived as an dangerous, uncontrollable and waste-generating industry by a lot of people. Which are exactly the opposite of the values we want to associate PostgreSQL with.
On 06/15/2015 04:00 AM, damien clochard wrote: "PostgreSQL to detect nuclear explosions" > > From a PR standpoint, the nuclear industry is prone to sensationalist > headlines and it is perceived as an dangerous, uncontrollable and > waste-generating industry by a lot of people. Which are exactly the > opposite of the values we want to associate PostgreSQL with. Sounds like any industry, ours included. JD > > > > > -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you.
Le 15/06/2015 18:41, Joshua D. Drake a écrit : > > On 06/15/2015 04:00 AM, damien clochard wrote: > "PostgreSQL to detect nuclear explosions" >> >> From a PR standpoint, the nuclear industry is prone to sensationalist >> headlines and it is perceived as an dangerous, uncontrollable and >> waste-generating industry by a lot of people. Which are exactly the >> opposite of the values we want to associate PostgreSQL with. > > Sounds like any industry, ours included. > Well at least a PostreSQL core dump isn't lethal during 25 000 years :)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:50 AM, damien clochard wrote: > Well at least a PostreSQL core dump isn't lethal during 25 000 years :) Hm? PG never has core dumps, it is too stable. You may be mistaking with a bunch of other databases. -- Michael