Thread: Short summary of postgres and enterprisedb strategy issues
here is a summary of issues with moving Postgres/EnterpriseDB fork into the mainstream business environment.. there are somesevere accusations contained in this summary "EnterpriseDB, and to a large extent, the open source PostgreSQL community has largely focused on the technical requirementsof database architects and administrators. When the company speaks about its products and solutions, it tendsto speak about the technical aspects of the technology and why it is good enough to be the foundation of today's applications. Dealing with today's decision process Unfortunately, companies seldom select a database based solely upon its technical merits. I'm not aware of a single development tool or application framework supplier that leads with EntepriseDB or PostgreSQL. " http://www.zdnet.com/enterprisedb-competing-with-giants-7000004141/ comments > Scott Law www.linkedin.com/in/scottalaw
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 09:44:56PM -0700, Scott & Kathy Law wrote: > > here is a summary of issues with moving Postgres/EnterpriseDB fork into the mainstream business environment.. there aresome severe accusations > contained in this summary > > "EnterpriseDB, and to a large extent, the open source PostgreSQL community has largely focused on the technical requirementsof database architects and administrators. When the company speaks about its products and solutions, it tendsto speak about the technical aspects of the technology and why it is good enough to be the foundation of today's applications. > Dealing with today's decision process > > Unfortunately, companies seldom select a database based solely upon its technical merits. > > I'm not aware of a single development tool or application framework supplier that leads with EntepriseDB or PostgreSQL." > > > http://www.zdnet.com/enterprisedb-competing-with-giants-7000004141/ > > comments > Hard to argue that we need more solution-oriented tools and guides to help adoption. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
On 10/3/12 9:44 PM, Scott & Kathy Law wrote: > I'm not aware of a single development tool or application framework supplier that leads with EntepriseDB or PostgreSQL." FWIW, that one statement is hardly accurate. Django? Rails? Atlassan? etc. The rest of his critique has some merit, though. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On 10/8/12 2:04 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 10/3/12 9:44 PM, Scott & Kathy Law wrote: >> I'm not aware of a single development tool or application framework supplier that leads with EntepriseDB or PostgreSQL." > > FWIW, that one statement is hardly accurate. Django? Rails? Atlassan? Someone should point him toward your recent suggestion of http://blog.planetargon.com/entries/2012/8/14/rails-hosting-survey-2012-results-are-in His whole argument in this area seems based on outdated commercial vendor oriented thinking. PostgreSQL fits into plenty of open-source application building stacks. Saying that PostgreSQL is not preferred by any supplier of development tools is a commercial oriented commentary whose market relevance decreases each year. More companies every day now are coming to me saying "we're embracing a fully open-source stack", which includes open-source development tools and frameworks too. As you say, the Ruby and Django development communities are two very obvious examples that have already climbed way up in adoption due to that. I have plenty of customers happily chugging away with PostgreSQL, JDBC, and Java with Eclipse or NetBeans as their development environment too. Even IBM's Websphere lists the PostgreSQL JDBC driver as an option--it's in the middle of a list that starts with DB2 and ends with Oracle, as you'd expect. Just who else does he expect to embrace PostgreSQL? Yes, Oracle JDeveloper and Microsoft Visual Studio are not promoting PostgreSQL integration. So what? Those programs are part of the larger problem to be solved, not a solution, if you're a company that's fed up with the licensing and restrictions of commercial software. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US greg@2ndQuadrant.com Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services, and 24x7 Support www.2ndQuadrant.com