Thread: Feedback on 9.0 release text? Please?
Folks,
If I don't hear anything from anyone this weekend, text will be final.
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Josh Berkus wrote: > Folks, > > If I don't hear anything from anyone this weekend, text will be final. You are not talking about the release notes, right? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + None of us is going to be here forever. +
On 07/09/2010 10:05 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> If I don't hear anything from anyone this weekend, text will be final.
>
> You are not talking about the release notes, right?
>
No, the release annoucement.
BTW, based on my little survey I want to add some stuff to the "major
features" section of the release notes before we're final.
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On 9 July 2010 18:08, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > On 07/09/2010 10:05 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >> Josh Berkus wrote: >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> If I don't hear anything from anyone this weekend, text will be final. >> >> You are not talking about the release notes, right? >> > > No, the release annoucement. > > BTW, based on my little survey I want to add some stuff to the "major > features" section of the release notes before we're final. > And here's the link for those who forgot: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/90ReleaseDraft Thom
Josh Berkus wrote: > On 07/09/2010 10:05 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Folks, > >> > >> If I don't hear anything from anyone this weekend, text will be final. > > > > You are not talking about the release notes, right? > > > > No, the release annoucement. > > BTW, based on my little survey I want to add some stuff to the "major > features" section of the release notes before we're final. Sure, that is in flux until the end. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + None of us is going to be here forever. +
Thom Brown <thombrown@gmail.com> wrote: > And here's the link for those who forgot: > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/90ReleaseDraft The new DO statement, which allows scripting without creating a permanent function object, will be very useful for maintaining the databases we have distributed around the state. The new Streaming Replication feature will further enhance the already-outstanding backup and recovery features in PostgreSQL. I look forward to using it. Feel free to quote me on that. :-) -Kevin
> The new DO statement, which allows scripting without creating a
> permanent function object, will be very useful for maintaining the
> databases we have distributed around the state.
>
> The new Streaming Replication feature will further enhance the
> already-outstanding backup and recovery features in PostgreSQL. I
> look forward to using it.
>
> Feel free to quote me on that. :-)
<grin> I'd love to, but we used you last release.
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On fre, 2010-07-09 at 10:02 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > If I don't hear anything from anyone this weekend, text will be final. One problem I can see is that since bullet points are always the point of focus, the replication features are actually hidden and the casual reader is lead to believe that 64-bit Windows support is the main feature of the release.
On 7/9/10 1:17 PM, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> On fre, 2010-07-09 at 10:02 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> If I don't hear anything from anyone this weekend, text will be final.
>
> One problem I can see is that since bullet points are always the point
> of focus, the replication features are actually hidden and the casual
> reader is lead to believe that 64-bit Windows support is the main
> feature of the release.
Oh, yeah, you mentioned that before.
Hmmm, means we should drop a bullet, then.
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-- Josh Berkus
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All,
Just had a long skype session about the release and overhauled it pretty
significantly. The new release is shorter, and the bullet list of
features has gone away.
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-- Josh Berkus
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Rob,
> The PostgreSQL Global Development Group announces the release of
> PostgreSQL 9.0, the latest version of the world's leading open source
> relational database. This <<<release/update>>> features advances in
We use the term "update release" to refer to patches and security fixes,
so I don't think we want to use "update" here.
> PostgreSQL 9.0 also includes more than a dozen other major improvements
> enhancing every aspect of <<<building/HUH?>>> database applications,
> including <<</:>>> 64-bit Windows support, conditional and per-column
> triggers, deferrable unique constraints, and high-performance event
> messaging. For a complete list of features, see our release information
> page (link).
Hmmm. I suppose "building" isn't strictly necessary, and if
unnecessary, should be cut.
> Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the
> world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and
> many others, development and <<<adoption momentum/HUH?>>> is greater
> than ever.
Yeah, I had trouble with the phrasing there and could use some help.
What I really wanted to say is that our project momentum, both for
developing features and for user adoption, is higher/faster than ever.
Thoughts?
Also, if anyone knows a big-name company who contributed a major feature
to 9.0 that I'm not thinking of, please mention them now.
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-- Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
http://www.pgexperts.com
On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 11:11 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > Rob, > > Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the > > world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and > > many others, development and <<<adoption momentum/HUH?>>> is greater > > than ever. > > Yeah, I had trouble with the phrasing there and could use some help. > What I really wanted to say is that our project momentum, both for > developing features and for user adoption, is higher/faster than ever. > Thoughts? Thanks to the many contributors and sponsors around the world such as .... Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering
On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 11:11 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > Rob, > > Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the > > world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and > > many others, development and <<<adoption momentum/HUH?>>> is greater > > than ever. > > Yeah, I had trouble with the phrasing there and could use some help. > What I really wanted to say is that our project momentum, both for > developing features and for user adoption, is higher/faster than ever. > Thoughts? Thanks to the many contributors and sponsors around the world such as .... Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering
>> Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the >> world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and >> many others, development and <<<adoption momentum/HUH?>>> is greater >> than ever. > >Yeah, I had trouble with the phrasing there and could use some help. >What I really wanted to say is that our project momentum, both for >developing features and for user adoption, is higher/faster than ever. Using your words, you could replace 'development and adoption momentum' with 'user adoption and development momentum' leadingto: Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant,Red Hat and many others, user adoption and development momentum is greater than ever. Regards, Evan Bennett ABSC Group Pty Ltd This message is for the named person's use only. Privileged / Confidential Information may be contained in this message.If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of this message to such person),you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediatelydelete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or rely on any part of this correspondenceif you are not the intended recipient. Internet communications are not secure and therefore ABSC Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents ofthis message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those ofABSC Group.
Josh
I made two changes as outlined below. I have no other issues with it. I think it reads well.
On 11/7/10 4:11 AM, "Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> We use the term "update release" to refer to patches and security fixes,
> so I don't think we want to use "update" here.
The repetition is not THAT serious so let's leave the first para as it is.
>
>> PostgreSQL 9.0 also includes more than a dozen other major improvements
>> enhancing every aspect of <<<building/HUH?>>> database applications,
>> including <<</:>>> 64-bit Windows support, conditional and per-column
>> triggers, deferrable unique constraints, and high-performance event
>> messaging. For a complete list of features, see our release information
>> page (link).
>
> Hmmm. I suppose "building" isn't strictly necessary, and if
> unnecessary, should be cut.
Does this read better?
PostgreSQL 9.0 includes more than a dozen other major improvements that will enhance every aspect of database application design and performance, including: 64-bit Windows support, conditional and per-column triggers, deferrable unique constraints, and high-performance event messaging. For a complete list of new features, see our release information page (link).
>> Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the
>> world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and
>> many others, development and <<<adoption momentum/HUH?>>> is greater
>> than ever.
>
> Yeah, I had trouble with the phrasing there and could use some help.
> What I really wanted to say is that our project momentum, both for
> developing features and for user adoption, is higher/faster than ever.
> Thoughts?
>
> Also, if anyone knows a big-name company who contributed a major feature
> to 9.0 that I'm not thinking of, please mention them now.
I like Evan’s suggestion for this para:
Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and many others, user adoption and development momentum is greater than ever.
Regards
Rob Napier
homepage: www.oncetechnologies.com
I made two changes as outlined below. I have no other issues with it. I think it reads well.
On 11/7/10 4:11 AM, "Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> We use the term "update release" to refer to patches and security fixes,
> so I don't think we want to use "update" here.
The repetition is not THAT serious so let's leave the first para as it is.
>
>> PostgreSQL 9.0 also includes more than a dozen other major improvements
>> enhancing every aspect of <<<building/HUH?>>> database applications,
>> including <<</:>>> 64-bit Windows support, conditional and per-column
>> triggers, deferrable unique constraints, and high-performance event
>> messaging. For a complete list of features, see our release information
>> page (link).
>
> Hmmm. I suppose "building" isn't strictly necessary, and if
> unnecessary, should be cut.
Does this read better?
PostgreSQL 9.0 includes more than a dozen other major improvements that will enhance every aspect of database application design and performance, including: 64-bit Windows support, conditional and per-column triggers, deferrable unique constraints, and high-performance event messaging. For a complete list of new features, see our release information page (link).
>> Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the
>> world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and
>> many others, development and <<<adoption momentum/HUH?>>> is greater
>> than ever.
>
> Yeah, I had trouble with the phrasing there and could use some help.
> What I really wanted to say is that our project momentum, both for
> developing features and for user adoption, is higher/faster than ever.
> Thoughts?
>
> Also, if anyone knows a big-name company who contributed a major feature
> to 9.0 that I'm not thinking of, please mention them now.
I like Evan’s suggestion for this para:
Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and many others, user adoption and development momentum is greater than ever.
Regards
Rob Napier
homepage: www.oncetechnologies.com
On 11 July 2010 22:05, Rob Napier <rob@doitonce.net.au> wrote: > Josh > > I made two changes as outlined below. I have no other issues with it. I > think it reads well. > > On 11/7/10 4:11 AM, "Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > >> We use the term "update release" to refer to patches and security fixes, >> so I don't think we want to use "update" here. > > The repetition is not THAT serious so let's leave the first para as it is. > >> >>> PostgreSQL 9.0 also includes more than a dozen other major improvements >>> enhancing every aspect of <<<building/HUH?>>> database applications, >>> including <<</:>>> 64-bit Windows support, conditional and per-column >>> triggers, deferrable unique constraints, and high-performance event >>> messaging. For a complete list of features, see our release information >>> page (link). >> >> Hmmm. I suppose "building" isn't strictly necessary, and if >> unnecessary, should be cut. > > Does this read better? > > PostgreSQL 9.0 includes more than a dozen other major improvements that will > enhance every aspect of database application design and performance, > including: 64-bit Windows support, conditional and per-column triggers, > deferrable unique constraints, and high-performance event messaging. For a > complete list of new features, see our release information page (link). > >>> Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the >>> world, such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and >>> many others, development and <<<adoption momentum/HUH?>>> is greater >>> than ever. >> >> Yeah, I had trouble with the phrasing there and could use some help. >> What I really wanted to say is that our project momentum, both for >> developing features and for user adoption, is higher/faster than ever. >> Thoughts? >> >> Also, if anyone knows a big-name company who contributed a major feature >> to 9.0 that I'm not thinking of, please mention them now. > > I like Evan’s suggestion for this para: > > Thanks to the contributions of developers and companies around the world, > such as NTT Open Source, EnterpriseDB, 2ndQuadrant, Red Hat and many others, > user adoption and development momentum is greater than ever. > > Regards > > Rob Napier > > homepage: www.oncetechnologies.com > > So is this now ready to go for today's update? Thom
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Thom Brown <thombrown@gmail.com> wrote: > > So is this now ready to go for today's update? Today's update is a beta. The release announcement is for the actual release. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise Postgres Company
12 July 2010 11:35, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Thom Brown <thombrown@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So is this now ready to go for today's update? > > Today's update is a beta. The release announcement is for the actual release. > D'oh! Of course. Thom
> So is this now ready to go for today's update?
What? Today's just Beta3.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 >> Feel free to quote me on that. :-) > <grin> I'd love to, but we used you last release. Does that really matter? I say quote 'im. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201007121006 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREDAAYFAkw7IZkACgkQvJuQZxSWSsjWQwCgr6pa4Y84OK0SjI1EoBJDNE09 j5QAmgIg859GfrBBR3PRU+njSwxANse8 =MFgv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 14:07 +0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > >> Feel free to quote me on that. :-) > > > <grin> I'd love to, but we used you last release. > > Does that really matter? I say quote 'im. It does to some degree. I mean, if we can only get quotes from the same people year over year? JD -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > It does to some degree. I mean, if we can only get quotes from the same > people year over year? The return of satisfied customers. ;) ---Michael Brewer mbrewer@gmail.com
On 07/12/2010 10:12 AM, Michael Alan Brewer wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>>
>> It does to some degree. I mean, if we can only get quotes from the same
>> people year over year?
Plus we're already in the position of potentially dropping one or more
quotes from the release due to having too many. So a returnee is a
no-go, I think.
Speaking of which ... Ed from EnterpriseDB has offered a quote for the
release. I'm leaning against including it because I feel that we need
to establish the separation between the PostgresQL project and
EnterpriseDB in the minds of the press.
I could see potentially including a quote from him about the momentum of
postgresql development if he were to make such a quote (suggested quote
doesn't help the release much), but I could also see skipping it ... we
have a lot of quotes as-is, and Afilias and MyEmma are still pending.
What do other people think?
(and please let's keep this to "does this benefit the success of the
release and project PR or not" and not "do I like enterprisedb or not")
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-- Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
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On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 14:07 +0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > >> Feel free to quote me on that. :-) > > > <grin> I'd love to, but we used you last release. > > Does that really matter? I say quote 'im. It does to some degree. I mean, if we can only get quotes from the same people year over year? JD -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 00:59, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > On 07/12/2010 10:12 AM, Michael Alan Brewer wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> It does to some degree. I mean, if we can only get quotes from the same >>> people year over year? > > Plus we're already in the position of potentially dropping one or more > quotes from the release due to having too many. So a returnee is a no-go, I > think. > > Speaking of which ... Ed from EnterpriseDB has offered a quote for the > release. I'm leaning against including it because I feel that we need to > establish the separation between the PostgresQL project and EnterpriseDB in > the minds of the press. Yeah, I agree with excluding it. There's too much confusion between those already, IMHO, no need to risk making that worse. I'm sure EnterpriseDB will put out their own press release soon after ;) > I could see potentially including a quote from him about the momentum of > postgresql development if he were to make such a quote (suggested quote > doesn't help the release much), but I could also see skipping it ... we have > a lot of quotes as-is, and Afilias and MyEmma are still pending. What do > other people think? If we have enough *good* quotes elsewhere, I think go with that. If we don't, then use a combination, with the proper quote from him. -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 00:59, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> > On 07/12/2010 10:12 AM, Michael Alan Brewer wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com>
> >> ?wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It does to some degree. I mean, if we can only get quotes from the same
> >>> people year over year?
> >
> > Plus we're already in the position of potentially dropping one or more
> > quotes from the release due to having too many. ?So a returnee is a no-go, I
> > think.
> >
> > Speaking of which ... Ed from EnterpriseDB has offered a quote for the
> > release. ?I'm leaning against including it because I feel that we need to
> > establish the separation between the PostgresQL project and EnterpriseDB in
> > the minds of the press.
>
> Yeah, I agree with excluding it. There's too much confusion between
> those already, IMHO, no need to risk making that worse. I'm sure
> EnterpriseDB will put out their own press release soon after ;)
>
>
> > I could see potentially including a quote from him about the momentum of
> > postgresql development if he were to make such a quote (suggested quote
> > doesn't help the release much), but I could also see skipping it ... we have
> > a lot of quotes as-is, and Afilias and MyEmma are still pending. What do
> > other people think?
>
> If we have enough *good* quotes elsewhere, I think go with that. If we
> don't, then use a combination, with the proper quote from him.
Someone just posted about the international space station:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2010-07/msg00394.php
Seems this would be a good source for a quote.
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