Thread: Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

From
Gregory Stark
Date:
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:

> Gregory Stark wrote:
>> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:
>>
>> Well cross-posting is especially annoying on subscriber-only moderated lists
>> such as ours. Anyone who follows up to an email who isn't subscribed to all
>> the lists will get bounce warnings for each list they're not on.
>
> Especially annoying?  You'll get a bounce warning.  That's all.  You
> don't have to do anything about it; just wait for the moderator to
> approve it.  In fact, when I (as the sender) get those, I just delete
> them.

You don't think getting bounces every time you respond to a message is
annoying? I get annoyed whenever a user posts with an address which bounces
and I get *really* annoyed at the similar case when someone's email address
has a broken mailer which bounces to people who post to the mailing list.

>> > (If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
>> > pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)
>>
>> Yeah, actually that doesn't work.
>
> Hmm, it doesn't work how?  I admit I haven't tried it, so I'm using this
> message as a test (I added Reply-To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org)

Well this was a wide followup to your message, which I think failed to do what
you wanted. More dramatically if I had tried to reply personally to you your
Reply-To would redirect the personal message to the list.

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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

From
Alvaro Herrera
Date:
Gregory Stark wrote:
>
> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:
>
> > Gregory Stark wrote:
> >> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:
> >>
> >> Well cross-posting is especially annoying on subscriber-only moderated lists
> >> such as ours. Anyone who follows up to an email who isn't subscribed to all
> >> the lists will get bounce warnings for each list they're not on.
> >
> > Especially annoying?  You'll get a bounce warning.  That's all.  You
> > don't have to do anything about it; just wait for the moderator to
> > approve it.  In fact, when I (as the sender) get those, I just delete
> > them.
>
> You don't think getting bounces every time you respond to a message is
> annoying? I get annoyed whenever a user posts with an address which bounces
> and I get *really* annoyed at the similar case when someone's email address
> has a broken mailer which bounces to people who post to the mailing list.

Well, that's different and I get annoyed on those cases too, if only
because the message will not just get to the destination.  But when a
message is just delayed, I have no problem with it really.  It still
takes me some low number of seconds to delete the bounce; the difference
is whether the time I took to write the response is wasted for good or
not.

> >> > (If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
> >> > pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)
> >>
> >> Yeah, actually that doesn't work.
> >
> > Hmm, it doesn't work how?  I admit I haven't tried it, so I'm using this
> > message as a test (I added Reply-To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org)
>
> Well this was a wide followup to your message, which I think failed to do what
> you wanted. More dramatically if I had tried to reply personally to you your
> Reply-To would redirect the personal message to the list.

That's true too.  Thanks for pointing this out.  I'll stop advocating
this idea.

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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

From
Alvaro Herrera
Date:
Scott Marlowe escribió:

> In this thread getting a bounce from advocacy won't bother me too
> much.  Having hundreds ot bounce messages in a busy thread, would be
> much much worse.

Yup.

> I wonder, if all the mailing lists are run by the same software,
> wouldn't it be easy enough to have a kind of passthrough filter for
> other mailiing list?  You can post to them in addition to the ones
> you're subscribed to, knowing you'll get the thread back by reply to
> semantics and no one need get a bounce message.  At most a "we've
> secretly moderated your post into pgsql-xyz, let's see if they notice
> you're not really a member of their mailing list" reply.  And / or an
> auto approval message into the group you're posting into?

Yeah, there is a way to configure lists this way in Mj2.  We only have
to get Marc to play along ...

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