Thread: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sun supporting PostgreSQL
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: > http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/web_sunflash.html http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunflash.20051117.1.html Josh, can you contact with those guys and please make them correct the spellings of PostgreSQL (Postgres, PostgresSQL, etc...) in the press link I provided above? Regards, - -- Devrim GUNDUZ Kivi Bilişim Teknolojileri - http://www.kivi.com.tr devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDfXoZ4zE8DGqpiZARAozcAJ0XBYUkonxJhGqkAwfDD+FFA+oXfQCgireD KLIbF+QacCKl/MzEiW6dxHY= =uvei -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Devrim, > Josh, can you contact with those guys and please make them correct the > spellings of PostgreSQL (Postgres, PostgresSQL, etc...) in the press link > I provided above? Unfortunately, it's on purpose. It's Marc's trademark again. I can say "PostgreSQL" but Sun's PR people are afraid to. :-( I'm meeting some trademark attorneys on Monday, hopefully we can straighten this out and stop having these issues. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: > Devrim, > >> Josh, can you contact with those guys and please make them correct the >> spellings of PostgreSQL (Postgres, PostgresSQL, etc...) in the press link >> I provided above? > > Unfortunately, it's on purpose. It's Marc's trademark again. I can say > "PostgreSQL" but Sun's PR people are afraid to. :-( Funny thing is that they use PostgreSQL throughout the press release, they seem to mix-n-match it ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Devrim, > Josh, can you contact with those guys and please make them correct the > spellings of PostgreSQL (Postgres, PostgresSQL, etc...) in the press link > I provided above? I'm afraid that the use of Postgres was on purpose. :-( It's because of Marc's trademark again. I'm going to be meeting with attorneys on Monday and hopefully we can get this trademark thing fixed. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Core Team josh@postgresql.org (unless specifically indicated, all opinions in the above e-mail are my own, and should not be taken as opinions of the Project as a whole.)
Josh Berkus wrote: > Unfortunately, it's on purpose. It's Marc's trademark again. I can > say "PostgreSQL" but Sun's PR people are afraid to. :-( I have got to meet these people's trademark attorneys (Sun, Pervasive) who think that they can't say "PostgreSQL" but can say "Postgres" or "PostgresSQL" with impunity. I really need to have a meeting with them because I'm not sure how my Orakle support program is going to work out.
Peter, > I have got to meet these people's trademark attorneys (Sun, Pervasive) > who think that they can't say "PostgreSQL" but can say "Postgres" or > "PostgresSQL" with impunity. I really need to have a meeting with them > because I'm not sure how my Orakle support program is going to work > out. <grin> or M$$QL? -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: >> Unfortunately, it's on purpose. It's Marc's trademark again. I can >> say "PostgreSQL" but Sun's PR people are afraid to. :-( > > I have got to meet these people's trademark attorneys (Sun, Pervasive) > who think that they can't say "PostgreSQL" but can say "Postgres" or > "PostgresSQL" with impunity. I really need to have a meeting with them > because I'm not sure how my Orakle support program is going to work > out. The funny thing is its only "the big companies" that seem concerned about this ... and even then, there are big companies that don't have an issue with using the name: SRA and Fujitsu being two that come to mind ... *shrug* ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 04:41:52PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> The funny thing is its only "the big companies" that seem concerned about
> this ... and even then, there are big companies that don't have an issue
> with using the name: SRA and Fujitsu being two that come to mind ...
> *shrug*
Well, the examples you gave are both companies with head offices in
Japan. Trademarks in the US are a Big Deal, because of the way
trademarks need to be defended there (there's a great deal of
jurisprudence around this. Hint: there's a reason you can still buy
Bayer(tm) Aspirin(tm) in Canada, and yet you can't in the US). So
US-based companies get very hinkey about trademarks, especially when
they're doing things in an area where they're subject to other PR
issues,
A
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Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/web_sunflash.html > > http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunflash.20051117.1.html > > Josh, can you contact with those guys and please make them correct the > spellings of PostgreSQL (Postgres, PostgresSQL, etc...) in the press link > I provided above? Can someone get Sun to fix the typos on their Postgres page? http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/postgres.jsp "Many of many customers" -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> Josh Berkus wrote: >>> Unfortunately, it's on purpose. It's Marc's trademark again. I can >>> say "PostgreSQL" but Sun's PR people are afraid to. :-( Yet Sun has no problem using "Linux" all over their site http://www.sun.com/software/linux/index.xml , while every time IBM mentions Linux (http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/) they have a footer that says "Linux is a registered trademark of Linus..." Seems Sun's PR guys are pretty confused.
> > Yet Sun has no problem using "Linux" all over their site > http://www.sun.com/software/linux/index.xml , while every > time IBM mentions Linux (http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/) they > have a footer that says "Linux is a registered trademark of Linus..." > > Seems Sun's PR guys are pretty confused. Not really. The Linux trademark has very clearly defined rules about who can use it and how. It is also very, very obvious who owns the Linux trademark. The PostgreSQL trademark is this vaque somebody owns it, but were not even sure if it is enforceable and there is no written policy about it... So we are just going to play it safe kind of thing. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/