Thread: Fundraising
Hey, If we were able to raise funds for PostgreSQL advocacy, how would we use the money? Trade shows? T-shirts? Lobbying? Feature development? Or would we not have a use for advocacy $$$? -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: > Hey, > > If we were able to raise funds for PostgreSQL advocacy, how would we use the > money? Trade shows? T-shirts? Lobbying? Feature development? > > Or would we not have a use for advocacy $$$? Hmmm.... I'd go for "user education" (potential and present users), paying for airfares of representatives to conferences and other important meetings, traditional marketing, and possibly "official" compliance testing/certification of PostgreSQL to various standards. :-) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift
I just want to say something on that topic!! Maybe somebody is working some certification exams or standard training courses out for postgresql admin,programmer,pl/pgsql .... There are many certifications but I'm thinking of a worldwide standard certification like oracle has in the academy This exams are given to some "certified" companies that they can give this exam/course whatever and maybe 10% of the certification cost goes directly in some fund that is sponsoring postgresql development. so much can be achieved. Or to make it real heavy. Creating an organisation like http://www.spi-inc.org/ is for debian but only for postgresql development. I'm thinking of this for a while. The important thing in this matter is a worldwide aceptable certification that is recognized by the whoile community/business!! regards Ewald Geschwinde Justin Clift wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> If we were able to raise funds for PostgreSQL advocacy, how would we >> use the money? Trade shows? T-shirts? Lobbying? Feature >> development? >> >> Or would we not have a use for advocacy $$$? > > > Hmmm.... I'd go for "user education" (potential and present users), > paying for airfares of representatives to conferences and other > important meetings, traditional marketing, and possibly "official" > compliance testing/certification of PostgreSQL to various standards. > > :-) > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend >
Josh Berkus wrote: Hey, If we were able to raise funds for PostgreSQL advocacy, how would we use the money? Trade shows? T-shirts? Lobbying? Feature development? Or would we not have a use for advocacy $$$? -- Secure 19.55m in commercial investment and schedule a fact finding trip to Cancun. Merlin
We should not have a use for advocacy $$$. The only thing I can think of is for printing collateral, however, web publishing should be adequate. This is a non-profit, volunteer thing. Many people are anxious to "give back" in a lot of different ways. Grass roots advocacy is the open source way. We need to keep providing techies, who know what we can do, fodder to pull management toward PostgreSQL. If we have gew-gaws like tshirts they should be sold for cost. (Hey, how about a button/pin that says "PostgreSQL Advocate". ) elein On Wednesday 25 June 2003 23:03, Josh Berkus wrote: > Hey, > > If we were able to raise funds for PostgreSQL advocacy, how would we use the > money? Trade shows? T-shirts? Lobbying? Feature development? > > Or would we not have a use for advocacy $$$? > > -- > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org > > -- ============================================================= elein@varlena.com Database Consulting www.varlena.com PostgreSQL General Bits http:/www.varlena.com/GeneralBits/ "Free your mind the rest will follow" -- en vogue
Elein, > We should not have a use for advocacy $$$. > The only thing I can think of is for printing collateral, > however, web publishing should be adequate. What about Trade Shows & conventions? For example there was a major OSS convention in Brazil last month, and they would have been thrilled to have a member of the CORE there if we could have flown anyone. Or, for that matter, printing CDs and brochures to hand/mail to the press/conventioneers? IME, they really, really like this stuff even if they could just download it. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
I have been lucky to get the convention sponsors to pay for all my trips, but I am not sure that will always be true. In fact, my LinuxTag trip in July is being paid for by a PostgreSQL support company in Germany because the sponsors don't have any money. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Berkus wrote: > Elein, > > > We should not have a use for advocacy $$$. > > The only thing I can think of is for printing collateral, > > however, web publishing should be adequate. > > What about Trade Shows & conventions? For example there was a major OSS > convention in Brazil last month, and they would have been thrilled to have a > member of the CORE there if we could have flown anyone. > > Or, for that matter, printing CDs and brochures to hand/mail to the > press/conventioneers? IME, they really, really like this stuff even if they > could just download it. > > -- > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
The first place donations should go is to defray the costs of hosting the postgresql project (www.postgresql.org, bruce's candle site, etc...) Once those things are payed for THEN the extra money can be used for marketing efforts, but in my opinion, the first place to spend any donations is on defraying the costs that folks have incurred for hosting / bandwidth On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, elein wrote: > > We should not have a use for advocacy $$$. > The only thing I can think of is for printing collateral, > however, web publishing should be adequate. > > This is a non-profit, volunteer thing. Many people > are anxious to "give back" in a lot of different ways. > Grass roots advocacy is the open source way. > We need to keep providing techies, who know what > we can do, fodder to pull management toward PostgreSQL. > > If we have gew-gaws like tshirts they should be > sold for cost. (Hey, how about a button/pin > that says "PostgreSQL Advocate". ) > > elein > > On Wednesday 25 June 2003 23:03, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Hey, > > > > If we were able to raise funds for PostgreSQL advocacy, how would we use the > > money? Trade shows? T-shirts? Lobbying? Feature development? > > > > Or would we not have a use for advocacy $$$? > > > > -- > > Josh Berkus > > Aglio Database Solutions > > San Francisco > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > > > http://archives.postgresql.org > > > > > >
Scott, > The first place donations should go is to defray the costs of hosting the > postgresql project (www.postgresql.org, bruce's candle site, etc...) > > Once those things are payed for THEN the extra money can be used for > marketing efforts, but in my opinion, the first place to spend any > donations is on defraying the costs that folks have incurred for hosting / > bandwidth *grin* Marc will be glad to hear that. Paying for hosting/bandwidth is not currently a problem; we are doing OK money-wise and Marc has assured me that our catastrophic e-mail outage will be the last (the outage happened in part due to upgrades intended to improve stability + backup, which are finished now). -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > Or, for that matter, printing CDs and brochures to hand/mail to the > press/conventioneers? IME, they really, really like this stuff even if they > could just download it. Is there an official CD cover, brochure, label, etc.? When I install PostgreSQL or recommend it it would be nice to stick a CD into their hands. Heck I'd like to make a few up to pass out at user group meetings. Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."
Roderick A. Anderson wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > >>Or, for that matter, printing CDs and brochures to hand/mail to the >>press/conventioneers? IME, they really, really like this stuff even if they >>could just download it. >> >> > >Is there an official CD cover, brochure, label, etc.? When I install >PostgreSQL or recommend it it would be nice to stick a CD into their >hands. Heck I'd like to make a few up to pass out at user group meetings. > Yes, it would be very nice to have such things available for donwload. -- Diogo de Oliveira Biazus diogo@ikono.com.br Ikono Sistemas e Automação http://www.ikono.com.br
Rod, > Is there an official CD cover, brochure, label, etc.? When I install > PostgreSQL or recommend it it would be nice to stick a CD into their > hands. Heck I'd like to make a few up to pass out at user group meetings. Nope. Wanna volunteer? For distributability, please use an OSS drawing tool ... like OpenOffice.org Draw or Kontour. You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > Nope. Wanna volunteer? For distributability, please use an OSS drawing tool > ... like OpenOffice.org Draw or Kontour. Of course. OpenOffice.Org - go figure eh? > You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. I'll try to find a graphical type person (anyone on this list?). My back ground is drafting. Didn't we go through this logo discussion a year or so ago? Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."
I understand you like OpenOffice, but a logo should be in a widely useable format. It should be a gif, jpg or png. OpenOffice can import these types, can't it? elein On Friday 27 June 2003 13:12, Josh Berkus wrote: > Rod, > > > Is there an official CD cover, brochure, label, etc.? When I install > > PostgreSQL or recommend it it would be nice to stick a CD into their > > hands. Heck I'd like to make a few up to pass out at user group meetings. > > Nope. Wanna volunteer? For distributability, please use an OSS drawing tool > ... like OpenOffice.org Draw or Kontour. > > You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. > > -- > -Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > > -- ============================================================= elein@varlena.com Database Consulting www.varlena.com PostgreSQL General Bits http:/www.varlena.com/GeneralBits/ "Free your mind the rest will follow" -- en vogue
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, elein wrote: > > I understand you like OpenOffice, but a logo should be in > a widely useable format. It should be a gif, jpg or png. > > OpenOffice can import these types, can't it? Import or export. I think the idea was for the CD label, insert, and/or brochure to be in OOo format. My preferences for the logo would be png then jpeg. I avoid gif as much as possible. Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."
Elein, Rod: > Import or export. I think the idea was for the CD label, insert, and/or > brochure to be in OOo format. My preferences for the logo would be png > then jpeg. I avoid gif as much as possible. Correct ... I was talking about the CD cover, not the logo. BTW, the patent on GIF expires sometime real soon (i.e within the month), or has already expired, which will actually make it a safer format than png, which could still run afoul of a hidden patent. Ironic, hey? If our volunteer (anybody? Bueller?) doesn't like OOo Draw for making CD covers, then you could use Kontour, which is another OSS vector-drawing program. I'd love to provide SXD-format labels from OOo project, but can't seem to locate any -- only the finished products in PNG. The idea is that whatever format we use, it should be something that anyone in our community can read and modify, without needing to re-create from scratch in order to change the text, or to purchase expensive proprietary software. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Sunday 29 Jun 2003 7:47 pm, Josh Berkus wrote: > Elein, Rod: > > Import or export. I think the idea was for the CD label, insert, and/or > > brochure to be in OOo format. My preferences for the logo would be png > > then jpeg. I avoid gif as much as possible. > > Correct ... I was talking about the CD cover, not the logo. > > BTW, the patent on GIF expires sometime real soon (i.e within the month), > or has already expired, which will actually make it a safer format than > png, which could still run afoul of a hidden patent. Ironic, hey? Not so fast there citizen - iirc the patent on LZW as it applies to image compression expired the other day. There might still be a patent covering the use of white and black pixels to simulate gray somewhere. > If our volunteer (anybody? Bueller?) doesn't like OOo Draw for making CD > covers, then you could use Kontour, which is another OSS vector-drawing > program. I'd love to provide SXD-format labels from OOo project, but can't > seem to locate any -- only the finished products in PNG. > > The idea is that whatever format we use, it should be something that anyone > in our community can read and modify, without needing to re-create from > scratch in order to change the text, or to purchase expensive proprietary > software. Something readable in OOo would be nice - does Kontour run on Windows on cygwin? What about the mac? I'd think the funding money would be well spent on a professionally designer to come up with templates for some standard handouts. Might not be cheap though, especially since we'd need to consider internationalisation issues. -- Richard Huxton
Is there something that can create .ps files? That's pretty portable, plus it doesn't have the issues with pixelazation when scaled larger / smaller. On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, elein wrote: > > I understand you like OpenOffice, but a logo should be in > a widely useable format. It should be a gif, jpg or png. > > OpenOffice can import these types, can't it? > > elein > > On Friday 27 June 2003 13:12, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Rod, > > > > > Is there an official CD cover, brochure, label, etc.? When I install > > > PostgreSQL or recommend it it would be nice to stick a CD into their > > > hands. Heck I'd like to make a few up to pass out at user group meetings. > > > > Nope. Wanna volunteer? For distributability, please use an OSS drawing tool > > ... like OpenOffice.org Draw or Kontour. > > > > You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. > > > > -- > > -Josh Berkus > > Aglio Database Solutions > > San Francisco > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > > > > > >
On Monday 30 June 2003 18:04, scott.marlowe wrote: > Is there something that can create .ps files? That's pretty portable, > plus it doesn't have the issues with pixelazation when scaled larger / > smaller. Well, you can work in any format and just print it to a postscript printer. Ask it to print it to a file. You get a postscript file..:-) All unices support ps file printing. And there is a free postscript printer driver for windows as well. It is from adobe. Of course, like pdf, postscript is a publishing only format. Keep that in mind. ( Well most of the times..) Shridhar
Scott, > Is there something that can create .ps files? That's pretty portable, > plus it doesn't have the issues with pixelazation when scaled larger / > smaller. Just about anything we would use could create PS files. The issue is what format the label is designed in; we need to have the "source" file for the design, not just the "binary", and if the design is in PSD (photoshop) that sorta prevents us Linux users from helping with it. Sounds like a vote for OOo, but this is a moot point if nobody wants to do the design. I'd do it if I weren't leaving the country next week ... -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Monday 30 June 2003 20:39, Josh Berkus wrote: > Sounds like a vote for OOo, but this is a moot point if nobody wants to do > the design. I'd do it if I weren't leaving the country next week ... What would it take to do that? I am not an artist but if you could describe it enough, might bribe a friend to do that..:-) Shridhar
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > Sounds like a vote for OOo, but this is a moot point if nobody wants to do the > design. I'd do it if I weren't leaving the country next week ... I'm on it, unless you'd prefer someone else. I'm not an artist but I can copy and paste and have done technical drafting and drawing. I also have access to those artistic types (in fact I've got a submission from the list by someone already - Cornelia set them to me. :-) When I get a few together I can post them on the web for 'voting'. Let me know if you want me to continue. One way or the other I'll put a OOo template together for a couple of CD labels I've used. In fact I was working on them for the FreeGIS CD so I'll get two birds with one stone. Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, scott.marlowe wrote: > The first place donations should go is to defray the costs of hosting the > postgresql project (www.postgresql.org, bruce's candle site, etc...) > > Once those things are payed for THEN the extra money can be used for > marketing efforts, but in my opinion, the first place to spend any > donations is on defraying the costs that folks have incurred for hosting / > bandwidth Personally, as one that is 'incurring the costs' ... I'd rather see such funding go towards better visibility at conferences and such ... even if its not a CORE developer being flown in, there are costs involved such as getting signage printed, and a decent booth setup ... an Advocacy fund should be *exactly* that ... a fund to help cover the costs of advocacy and promotion ...
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > Rod, > > > Is there an official CD cover, brochure, label, etc.? When I install > > PostgreSQL or recommend it it would be nice to stick a CD into their > > hands. Heck I'd like to make a few up to pass out at user group meetings. > > Nope. Wanna volunteer? For distributability, please use an OSS drawing tool > ... like OpenOffice.org Draw or Kontour. > > You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. Don't change the logo yet again ... the one we have now is nice and clean ...
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. > > Don't change the logo yet again ... the one we have now is nice and clean > ... As I was considering how/what to change I realized that there is some history and I can't remember how the story went. I had a site that used the cheetah (panther?) logo. I remember the elephant coming to be but not the circumstances. I'll stick with getting a CD label, insert, and/or brochure ready (with room for the official logo. :-) Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > > > You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. > > > > Don't change the logo yet again ... the one we have now is nice and clean > > ... > > As I was considering how/what to change I realized that there is some > history and I can't remember how the story went. I had a site that used > the cheetah (panther?) logo. I remember the elephant coming to be but not > the circumstances. Yeech ... the Cheetah was a *very* short lived thing almost 5 years ago now ...
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 11:17:24PM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Yeech ... the Cheetah was a *very* short lived thing almost 5 years ago > now ... > is there a page that docuements this history? I collect links about internet history on my BBS (err.. website.. whatever the term is now), and I am interested in these types of topics. I happen to think the elephant is a *much* better choice than a cheetah.. speed isn't *everything* you know :) the link to the "Internet History SIG" is: http://zoidtechnologies.com/sig.php?mode=browse&id=109 if you want to look at what I already have. regards, J -- || Jeff - http://zoidtechnologies.com/ || GNUPG Fingerprint: A607 0F19 7C75 1305 67E4 BDFF 26BD 606E 3517 2A42
Both ingres and postgres at UCBerkeley had a turtle mascot. --elein On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 06:54:26PM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > > > You'll need to start by creating a better "Elephant" logo. > > > > Don't change the logo yet again ... the one we have now is nice and clean > > ... > > As I was considering how/what to change I realized that there is some > history and I can't remember how the story went. I had a site that used > the cheetah (panther?) logo. I remember the elephant coming to be but not > the circumstances. > > I'll stick with getting a CD label, insert, and/or brochure ready (with > room for the official logo. :-) > > > Rod > -- > "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..." > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your > joining column's datatypes do not match
PHP is sometimes using an Elephant, though I think they are moving awy from that. They say the letters PHP look like an elephant. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff wrote: > On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 11:17:24PM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Yeech ... the Cheetah was a *very* short lived thing almost 5 years ago > > now ... > > > > is there a page that docuements this history? I collect links about internet > history on my BBS (err.. website.. whatever the term is now), and I am > interested in these types of topics. > > I happen to think the elephant is a *much* better choice than a cheetah.. > speed isn't *everything* you know :) > > the link to the "Internet History SIG" is: > http://zoidtechnologies.com/sig.php?mode=browse&id=109 > if you want to look at what I already have. > > regards, > J > -- > || Jeff - http://zoidtechnologies.com/ > || GNUPG Fingerprint: A607 0F19 7C75 1305 67E4 BDFF 26BD 606E 3517 2A42 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073