Thread: Sobre Actualizacion
Estimados: Tengo instalado Postgresql 7.4.8 y quisiera migrar a postgres 8.x. Mi pregunta es si hay alguna pauta para hacerlo. Solo se que puedo tener problemas con la perdida de datos. Necesito me orientes por favor Ricardo Mercado Araneda.
Hi Ricardo.
Remember you have to write in english in this forum. There is an specific forum in spanish language if you prefer to use spanish instead of english.
Anyway, migration from 7.4 to 8.x is not trivial. First you have to decide what is your target version. It's not the same migrate to 8.1 or 8.2 that 8.3. Migrate to 8.0, 8.1 or 8.2 is relatively easy. You have to perform an export of your database and import into new version. There could minor problems if you use tsearch (y recommend you to install tsearch in your new database before importing from 7.4) but basically everything will go without problems.
Migration to 8.3 is not so easy... Well, the process is the same, but due to changes in "tipado de los campos" you will probably have to perform some changes in your application. With < 8.3, postgres automatically converts data from some type (for example, an varchar) to destination type without asking for it. However, with 8.3 you will have to perform this conversion in an explicit way, that is, telling postgres that you have to convert it. So if the queries of your application or database functions or triggers were poorly designed (and believe me, this is very frequent) you will have to adapt them to work with 8.3 or higher. And in 8.3 tsearch2 has been included in core, so you will have to change tsearch calls or at least install the "translation" package.
But, of course, 8.3 performance is quite better that 8.2 or 8.1. So, I will try first with 8.3 and if you don't have problems or your application doesn't require many changes, use it.
We migrated gforge 4.5 from postgres 7.4 to 8.1 two years ago and it was quite hard since we have to modify parts of data model and clean our database since there were strange characters inserted in our tables. We have planned to migrate to 8.3 this year, but we should modify gforge in order to acomplish with 8.3 requirements.... and this is quite hard. And since our gforge has been modified since 2005, not it's very difficult to revert our changes to gforge 4.7 trunk... so it's probably we will stay in 8.1 or 8.2 waiting for a future migration to Gforge AS (5).
-----Original Message-----
From: Ricardo Mercado Araneda <rmercado@dportales.cl>
To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:16:39 -0400
Remember you have to write in english in this forum. There is an specific forum in spanish language if you prefer to use spanish instead of english.
Anyway, migration from 7.4 to 8.x is not trivial. First you have to decide what is your target version. It's not the same migrate to 8.1 or 8.2 that 8.3. Migrate to 8.0, 8.1 or 8.2 is relatively easy. You have to perform an export of your database and import into new version. There could minor problems if you use tsearch (y recommend you to install tsearch in your new database before importing from 7.4) but basically everything will go without problems.
Migration to 8.3 is not so easy... Well, the process is the same, but due to changes in "tipado de los campos" you will probably have to perform some changes in your application. With < 8.3, postgres automatically converts data from some type (for example, an varchar) to destination type without asking for it. However, with 8.3 you will have to perform this conversion in an explicit way, that is, telling postgres that you have to convert it. So if the queries of your application or database functions or triggers were poorly designed (and believe me, this is very frequent) you will have to adapt them to work with 8.3 or higher. And in 8.3 tsearch2 has been included in core, so you will have to change tsearch calls or at least install the "translation" package.
But, of course, 8.3 performance is quite better that 8.2 or 8.1. So, I will try first with 8.3 and if you don't have problems or your application doesn't require many changes, use it.
We migrated gforge 4.5 from postgres 7.4 to 8.1 two years ago and it was quite hard since we have to modify parts of data model and clean our database since there were strange characters inserted in our tables. We have planned to migrate to 8.3 this year, but we should modify gforge in order to acomplish with 8.3 requirements.... and this is quite hard. And since our gforge has been modified since 2005, not it's very difficult to revert our changes to gforge 4.7 trunk... so it's probably we will stay in 8.1 or 8.2 waiting for a future migration to Gforge AS (5).
-----Original Message-----
From: Ricardo Mercado Araneda <rmercado@dportales.cl>
To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:16:39 -0400
Estimados: Tengo instalado Postgresql 7.4.8 y quisiera migrar a postgres 8.x. Mi pregunta es si hay alguna pauta para hacerlo. Solo se que puedo tener problemas con la perdida de datos. Necesito me orientes por favor Ricardo Mercado Araneda.
> Estimados:
> Tengo instalado Postgresql 7.4.8 y quisiera migrar a postgres 8.x.
>
> Mi pregunta es si hay alguna pauta para hacerlo. Solo se que puedo tener
> problemas con la perdida de datos. Necesito me orientes por favor
>
> Ricardo Mercado Araneda.
>
1- Generally, spanish speakers send these kind of questions first to the
pgsql-es-ayuda list and then -if they didn't have a reasoneable answer-
sends them to these 'english' lists.
2- This list is for ADMIN issues. If you see, you will found there are
list for each topic. This limitation not exists on the spanish list, so
i recommend that you suscribe to this.
3. pgsql-es-ayuda community rocks! :P
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This is good timing... I am just working on upgrading our installation of GForge to the latest stable version and
tryingto do the same with PostgreSQL.
We are already running on GForge 5.5, so upgrading to the latest (5.6) will not be much of a jump. The following
seemsto work fairly well:
1. Create a dump file of the database schema and one of the data. Split the schema dump into the foreign keys and
everythingelse.
2. Shutdown the PostgreSQL database & upgrade it.
3. Start up the database and import your schema except for the foreign keys. Now load the data. If you try to load
yourdata with the foreign keys present, it will give you lots of errors for some reason.
4. Load the foreign keys.
5. Run the GForge upgrade script.
This seems to work well when upgrading to PostgreSQL 8.2, but if you go to 8.3 the changes to tsearch and some
vectorfunctions cause the import process to fail.
I believe the GForge team has a script to migrate your data from the 4.x to the 5.x schemas, but as we started
usingGForge recently, we've always been on 5.x.
Kenny Drobnack
From: pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Iñigo Martinez Lasala
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:47 AM
To: pgsql-admin
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion
Hi Ricardo.
Remember you have to write in english in this forum. There is an specific forum in spanish language if you prefer to
usespanish instead of english.
Anyway, migration from 7.4 to 8.x is not trivial. First you have to decide what is your target version. It's not the
samemigrate to 8.1 or 8.2 that 8.3. Migrate to 8.0, 8.1 or 8.2 is relatively easy. You have to perform an export of
yourdatabase and import into new version. There could minor problems if you use tsearch (y recommend you to install
tsearchin your new database before importing from 7.4) but basically everything will go without problems.
Migration to 8.3 is not so easy... Well, the process is the same, but due to changes in "tipado de los campos" you will
probablyhave to perform some changes in your application. With < 8.3, postgres automatically converts data from some
type(for example, an varchar) to destination type without asking for it. However, with 8.3 you will have to perform
thisconversion in an explicit way, that is, telling postgres that you have to convert it. So if the queries of your
applicationor database functions or triggers were poorly designed (and believe me, this is very frequent) you will have
toadapt them to work with 8.3 or higher. And in 8.3 tsearch2 has been included in core, so you will have to change
tsearchcalls or at least install the "translation" package.
But, of course, 8.3 performance is quite better that 8.2 or 8.1. So, I will try first with 8.3 and if you don't have
problemsor your application doesn't require many changes, use it.
We migrated gforge 4.5 from postgres 7.4 to 8.1 two years ago and it was quite hard since we have to modify parts of
datamodel and clean our database since there were strange characters inserted in our tables. We have planned to migrate
to8.3 this year, but we should modify gforge in order to acomplish with 8.3 requirements.... and this is quite hard.
Andsince our gforge has been modified since 2005, not it's very difficult to revert our changes to gforge 4.7 trunk...
soit's probably we will stay in 8.1 or 8.2 waiting for a future migration to Gforge AS (5).
-----Original Message-----
From: Ricardo Mercado Araneda <rmercado@dportales.cl>
To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:16:39 -0400
Estimados:
Tengo instalado Postgresql 7.4.8 y quisiera migrar a postgres 8.x.
Mi pregunta es si hay alguna pauta para hacerlo. Solo se que puedo tener
problemas con la perdida de datos. Necesito me orientes por favor
Ricardo Mercado Araneda.
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Gforge changed deeply between 4.x and 5.x. 5.x was rewritten from scratch, but licensing model has changed and now there is a Community version and a Commercial version. In Gforge 4.x there was no difference between versions (you paid for support), so we will stay in 4.x until the end. And we have also modified 4.x, and porting these mods to 5.x would be too hard at this moment. So, we will stay in 4.x.
Anyway, there is a new 4.7 release candidate in Debian repositories that has a patch to work against Postgres 8.3. Perhaps we will advance in this direction since porting changes to 4.7 is easy. :)
On April we migrated all our databases to postgres 8.3, after lenny was released, due to 8.1 is no longer maintained by Debian team. There were no problems with most of our corporate applications but Gforge, of course. We have to fix some bad designed queries or procedures, but there were only a few.
It would have been desirable to include a parameter in postgresql.conf like "automatic_conversion" or similar to improve backwards compatibility with previous postgres versions...
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny W Drobnack <kenny.w.drobnack@jpmchase.com>
To: pgsql-admin <pgsql-admin@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion/upgrading PostgreSQL
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:14:17 -0400
Anyway, there is a new 4.7 release candidate in Debian repositories that has a patch to work against Postgres 8.3. Perhaps we will advance in this direction since porting changes to 4.7 is easy. :)
On April we migrated all our databases to postgres 8.3, after lenny was released, due to 8.1 is no longer maintained by Debian team. There were no problems with most of our corporate applications but Gforge, of course. We have to fix some bad designed queries or procedures, but there were only a few.
It would have been desirable to include a parameter in postgresql.conf like "automatic_conversion" or similar to improve backwards compatibility with previous postgres versions...
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny W Drobnack <kenny.w.drobnack@jpmchase.com>
To: pgsql-admin <pgsql-admin@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion/upgrading PostgreSQL
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:14:17 -0400
This is good timing... I am just working on upgrading our installation of GForge to the latest stable version and trying to do the same with PostgreSQL.We are already running on GForge 5.5, so upgrading to the latest (5.6) will not be much of a jump. The following seems to work fairly well:1. Create a dump file of the database schema and one of the data. Split the schema dump into the foreign keys and everything else.2. Shutdown the PostgreSQL database & upgrade it.3. Start up the database and import your schema except for the foreign keys. Now load the data. If you try to load your data with the foreign keys present, it will give you lots of errors for some reason.4. Load the foreign keys.5. Run the GForge upgrade script. This seems to work well when upgrading to PostgreSQL 8.2, but if you go to 8.3 the changes to tsearch and some vector functions cause the import process to fail.I believe the GForge team has a script to migrate your data from the 4.x to the 5.x schemas, but as we started using GForge recently, we've always been on 5.x. Kenny Drobnack From: pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Iñigo Martinez Lasala Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:47 AM To: pgsql-admin Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion Hi Ricardo. Remember you have to write in english in this forum. There is an specific forum in spanish language if you prefer to use spanish instead of english. Anyway, migration from 7.4 to 8.x is not trivial. First you have to decide what is your target version. It's not the same migrate to 8.1 or 8.2 that 8.3. Migrate to 8.0, 8.1 or 8.2 is relatively easy. You have to perform an export of your database and import into new version. There could minor problems if you use tsearch (y recommend you to install tsearch in your new database before importing from 7.4) but basically everything will go without problems. Migration to 8.3 is not so easy... Well, the process is the same, but due to changes in "tipado de los campos" you will probably have to perform some changes in your application. With < 8.3, postgres automatically converts data from some type (for example, an varchar) to destination type without asking for it. However, with 8.3 you will have to perform this conversion in an explicit way, that is, telling postgres that you have to convert it. So if the queries of your application or database functions or triggers were poorly designed (and believe me, this is very frequent) you will have to adapt them to work with 8.3 or higher. And in 8.3 tsearch2 has been included in core, so you will have to change tsearch calls or at least install the "translation" package. But, of course, 8.3 performance is quite better that 8.2 or 8.1. So, I will try first with 8.3 and if you don't have problems or your application doesn't require many changes, use it. We migrated gforge 4.5 from postgres 7.4 to 8.1 two years ago and it was quite hard since we have to modify parts of data model and clean our database since there were strange characters inserted in our tables. We have planned to migrate to 8.3 this year, but we should modify gforge in order to acomplish with 8.3 requirements.... and this is quite hard. And since our gforge has been modified since 2005, not it's very difficult to revert our changes to gforge 4.7 trunk... so it's probably we will stay in 8.1 or 8.2 waiting for a future migration to Gforge AS (5). -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Mercado Araneda <rmercado@dportales.cl> To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: [ADMIN] Sobre Actualizacion Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:16:39 -0400 Estimados: Tengo instalado Postgresql 7.4.8 y quisiera migrar a postgres 8.x. Mi pregunta es si hay alguna pauta para hacerlo. Solo se que puedo tener problemas con la perdida de datos. Necesito me orientes por favor Ricardo Mercado Araneda. This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. 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