Thread: Linux Version
I'm sure this has been questioned and answered before, but your mailing list search engine is down, and it isn't on your FAQ. Why isn't the development of a Linux version a higher priority than Windows? PostgreSQL itself is only for Unix, and as an Open Source database, it's absurd to have an Open Souce GUI for it that relies on a proprietary operating system that PostgreSQL users are not likely to use. Because PostgreSQL itself is _only_ available for linux and unix, it seems silly to work on Windows GUIs. You really should address the issue of using a standard operating system on your web site. I don't know whether the rewrite made it better, but the fact that it isn't for Linux makes it worthless to me and most PostgreSQL users. -- Ken Kinder www.kenkinder.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Kinder [mailto:ken@kenkinder.com] > Sent: 17 October 2001 17:04 > To: pgadmin-support@postgresql.org > Subject: [pgadmin-support] Linux Version > > > I'm sure this has been questioned and answered before, but > your mailing list search engine is down, and it isn't on your FAQ. > > Why isn't the development of a Linux version a higher > priority than Windows? PostgreSQL itself is only for Unix, This is incorrect. PostgreSQL runs well on Windows NT/2000 and will also run on Windows 9x/ME. > and as an Open Source database, it's absurd to have an Open > Souce GUI for it that relies on a proprietary operating > system that PostgreSQL users are not likely to use. Tell that to the thousands that have downloaded it. The original pgAdmin project was started in 1997 because so many people kept asking for a good PostgreSQL admin tool for Windows. > Because > PostgreSQL itself is _only_ available for linux and unix, it > seems silly to work on Windows GUIs. As I said, PostgreSQL is most certainly not only for *nix, and even if it was, many people like myself (an IT Manager running a network of around 120 workstations and a dozen or so servers of various types across 8 sites) use Windows on our desktop machines through necessity. I run PostgreSQL on my Windows 2000 laptop for developing pgAdmin, and on Linux servers for users running applications on their Windows Workstations and as the backend for some php powered websites. I know for a fact I'm not alone here. Whilst I would love to put Linux on every desktop and get rid of M$ products it's just not possible in my organisation and many others for numerous reasons. > You really should address the issue of using a standard > operating system on your web site. A standard operating system like the ones supplied on probably 95% of the PCs sold around the world you mean? > I don't know whether the rewrite made it better, but the fact > that it isn't for Linux makes it worthless to me and most > PostgreSQL users. It may be worthless to you, but to many it is not. That is fine by me, I'm not forcing you to use it (though you may well miss out as I'm pretty sure it's now the most comprehensive PostgreSQL toolset you'll find). There are other tools such as pgAccess or phpPgAdmin that you could use. Of course, you could run it under Wine like myself and one of my staff who both run KDE on Slackware Linux on our test boxes at work.... Oh, I'm sorry, did the (as yet incomplete) website/documentation not mention that pgAdmin runs under Wine? And before you complain about that omission, bear in mind that I myself have written (in my own time) and given away around 30,000 lines of code on this new version of pgAdmin alone since March or so this year. I don't get paid for it and haven't had time to finish writing up every last possible thing you can do with pgAdmin. Dave.
I'm sorry if offended you or your work. I am honestly having trouble comprehending the development of a PostgreSQL GUI that isn't available for Linux. AFIAK, from attending user groups and other mailing lists, Postgres is used very rarely in non-Linux environments. I do still think you should specificly state the abscence of a Linux version on your web site and what the reasons for that are. On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 08:54:54PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Kinder [mailto:ken@kenkinder.com] > > Sent: 17 October 2001 17:04 > > To: pgadmin-support@postgresql.org > > Subject: [pgadmin-support] Linux Version > > > > > > I'm sure this has been questioned and answered before, but > > your mailing list search engine is down, and it isn't on your FAQ. > > > > Why isn't the development of a Linux version a higher > > priority than Windows? PostgreSQL itself is only for Unix, > > This is incorrect. PostgreSQL runs well on Windows NT/2000 and will also run > on Windows 9x/ME. > > > and as an Open Source database, it's absurd to have an Open > > Souce GUI for it that relies on a proprietary operating > > system that PostgreSQL users are not likely to use. > > Tell that to the thousands that have downloaded it. The original pgAdmin > project was started in 1997 because so many people kept asking for a good > PostgreSQL admin tool for Windows. > > > Because > > PostgreSQL itself is _only_ available for linux and unix, it > > seems silly to work on Windows GUIs. > > As I said, PostgreSQL is most certainly not only for *nix, and even if it > was, many people like myself (an IT Manager running a network of around 120 > workstations and a dozen or so servers of various types across 8 sites) use > Windows on our desktop machines through necessity. I run PostgreSQL on my > Windows 2000 laptop for developing pgAdmin, and on Linux servers for users > running applications on their Windows Workstations and as the backend for > some php powered websites. > > I know for a fact I'm not alone here. Whilst I would love to put Linux on > every desktop and get rid of M$ products it's just not possible in my > organisation and many others for numerous reasons. > > > You really should address the issue of using a standard > > operating system on your web site. > > A standard operating system like the ones supplied on probably 95% of the > PCs sold around the world you mean? > > > I don't know whether the rewrite made it better, but the fact > > that it isn't for Linux makes it worthless to me and most > > PostgreSQL users. > > It may be worthless to you, but to many it is not. That is fine by me, I'm > not forcing you to use it (though you may well miss out as I'm pretty sure > it's now the most comprehensive PostgreSQL toolset you'll find). There are > other tools such as pgAccess or phpPgAdmin that you could use. > > Of course, you could run it under Wine like myself and one of my staff who > both run KDE on Slackware Linux on our test boxes at work.... Oh, I'm sorry, > did the (as yet incomplete) website/documentation not mention that pgAdmin > runs under Wine? > > And before you complain about that omission, bear in mind that I myself have > written (in my own time) and given away around 30,000 lines of code on this > new version of pgAdmin alone since March or so this year. I don't get paid > for it and haven't had time to finish writing up every last possible thing > you can do with pgAdmin. > > Dave. -- Ken Kinder www.kenkinder.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Kinder [mailto:ken@kenkinder.com] > Sent: 17 October 2001 21:12 > To: Dave Page > Cc: pgadmin-support@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgadmin-support] Linux Version > > > I'm sorry if offended you or your work. Apology accepted. > I am honestly having > trouble comprehending the development of a PostgreSQL GUI > that isn't available for Linux. Why? PostgreSQL runs on a server. It's definitely not a good idea to use your backend database server as a developemnt workstation as well if you can help it. I notice from your website that you primarily use MySQL. Do you have the same view of MySQLManager (http://ems-hitech.com/mymanager/index.phtml) which I believe is a similar tool to pgAdmin? > AFIAK, from attending user > groups and other mailing lists, Postgres is used very rarely > in non-Linux environments. PostgreSQL is being used more and more in non *nix environments. It is distributed as a standard part of Redhat's popular Cygwin package (www.cygwin.com) and many users are now frequenting the pgsql-cygwin@postgresql.org mailing list. That aside, I still don't think it's overly relevant. Many people are developing applications for use on PCs within organisations alongside other apps like MS Office by staff of all technical levels (as an example, my users include mailroom staff using an application to track mail and 'community care' staff managing 1000's of Personal Emergency Telephones). These programs are being developed using MS or Borland tools, and it makes sense that the developer would often want to develop his or her backend database on the same workstations. The reality is that most PCs run Windows, so a large percentage of PostgreSQL apps written for these PCs must be written for Windows. Regards, Dave.