Thread: Oh no!!
This message popping up every time a query finishes in query window is completely annoying. I hated it with pgadmin2, and it was one reason for me to write pgadmin3. And people in the same room working with you will soon hate it too, unless you remove your speaker or beep device.... I removed it. Additionally, the message page is not a mere logging window, but receives the messages and notices for the currently executed query (we already have a logging mechanism...). That's why it has to be cleared before each execution. The query being executed is in the query page, so why repeat it? If you're repeatedly executing many big queries, like I do, you won't see any more what's really important. Regards, Andreas
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] > Sent: 15 July 2003 08:07 > To: pgadmin-hackers; Dave Page > Subject: Oh no!! > > > This message popping up every time a query finishes in query > window is > completely annoying. I hated it with pgadmin2, and it was one > reason for > me to write pgadmin3. And people in the same room working > with you will > soon hate it too, unless you remove your speaker or beep > device.... I removed it. Please put it back with an option to switch it off if you dislike it so much. I hate running non-queries and not seeing that they have obviously completed. > Additionally, the message page is > not a mere logging window, but > receives the messages and notices for the currently executed > query (we > already have a logging mechanism...). That's why it has to be cleared > before each execution. The query being executed is in the > query page, so > why repeat it? If you're repeatedly executing many big > queries, like I > do, you won't see any more what's really important. It shows the history of what you've been doing and waht happened - particularly useful when fine tuning queries etc. The current log window has never shown more than 3 lines to me, and that could easily be reduced without losing content. I would far rather see a rolling history of what I've done and what the result was, than a couple of lines of text that might just as well be in the status bar. Again, please put it back, and add a 'verbose' output option for those of us that want to see that sort of thing. Regards, Dave.
Dave Page wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] >>Sent: 15 July 2003 08:07 >>To: pgadmin-hackers; Dave Page >>Subject: Oh no!! >> >> >>This message popping up every time a query finishes in query >>window is >>completely annoying. I hated it with pgadmin2, and it was one >>reason for >>me to write pgadmin3. And people in the same room working >>with you will >>soon hate it too, unless you remove your speaker or beep >>device.... I removed it. >> >> > >Please put it back with an option to switch it off if you dislike it so >much. I hate running non-queries and not seeing that they have obviously >completed. > Later we might add some animations (spinning thing in right side of the toolbar, and vacuum needs something too) The idea behind the query window is that all input is in the upper half, and all output is in the lower. Messages are mostly duplicated now, (message page and status line), and triplicated with that msgwindow. I just changed frmQuery so that in case no result set is returned the message page is selected. > > >>Additionally, the message page is >>not a mere logging window, but >>receives the messages and notices for the currently executed >>query (we >>already have a logging mechanism...). That's why it has to be cleared >>before each execution. The query being executed is in the >>query page, so >>why repeat it? If you're repeatedly executing many big >>queries, like I >>do, you won't see any more what's really important. >> >> > >It shows the history of what you've been doing and waht happened - >particularly useful when fine tuning queries etc. The current log window >has never shown more than 3 lines to me, and that could easily be >reduced without losing content. I would far rather see a rolling history >of what I've done and what the result was, than a couple of lines of >text that might just as well be in the status bar. > >Again, please put it back, and add a 'verbose' output option for those >of us that want to see that sort of thing. > > This is becoming quite an option grave.... Don't like that either. It looks as if we couldn't decide what's working and what's not. Options should merely be for dividing beginners from advanced users. I'd really like to stick to a consistent behaviour. You might complain that the logging facility isn't sufficient for you, but that may not mean that the message window doesn't reflect what's going on with the *current* query. Then we'd need an additional logging page. And the possibility to save it to disk. And a clear option. And ...? Regards, Andreas
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] > Sent: 15 July 2003 09:33 > To: Dave Page > Cc: pgadmin-hackers > Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Oh no!! > > > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] > >>Sent: 15 July 2003 08:07 > >>To: pgadmin-hackers; Dave Page > >>Subject: Oh no!! > >> > >> > >>This message popping up every time a query finishes in query > >>window is > >>completely annoying. I hated it with pgadmin2, and it was one > >>reason for > >>me to write pgadmin3. And people in the same room working > >>with you will > >>soon hate it too, unless you remove your speaker or beep > >>device.... I removed it. > >> > >> > > > >Please put it back with an option to switch it off if you > dislike it so > >much. I hate running non-queries and not seeing that they have > >obviously completed. > > > Later we might add some animations (spinning thing in right > side of the > toolbar, and vacuum needs something too) > The idea behind the query window is that all input is in the > upper half, > and all output is in the lower. Messages are mostly duplicated now, > (message page and status line), and triplicated with that > msgwindow. I > just changed frmQuery so that in case no result set is returned the > message page is selected. Mmmpph. Still doesn't make it obvious to me that a long running query has completed. I'll try it out, but if I find it's no good then the message box goes in with an option to enable/disable it. > This is becoming quite an option grave.... Don't like that either. It > looks as if we couldn't decide what's working and what's not. Options > should merely be for dividing beginners from advanced users. > I'd really > like to stick to a consistent behaviour. > You might complain that the logging facility isn't sufficient > for you, > but that may not mean that the message window doesn't reflect what's > going on with the *current* query. Then we'd need an > additional logging > page. And the possibility to save it to disk. And a clear > option. And ...? And? That sounds good to me though the save to disk and clear options are unnecessary (yes, I realise you were being sarcastic). We are trying to build feature rich software after all. Session logging is a useful feature that's been in both previous versions of pgAdmin. pgAdmin II even added a query recorder option to allow logs of sessions to be maintained in a useful format. Regards, Dave.
Dave Page wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] >>Sent: 15 July 2003 09:33 >>To: Dave Page >>Cc: pgadmin-hackers >>Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Oh no!! >> >> >>Dave Page wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] >>>>Sent: 15 July 2003 08:07 >>>>To: pgadmin-hackers; Dave Page >>>>Subject: Oh no!! >>>> >>>> >>>>This message popping up every time a query finishes in query >>>>window is >>>>completely annoying. I hated it with pgadmin2, and it was one >>>>reason for >>>>me to write pgadmin3. And people in the same room working >>>>with you will >>>>soon hate it too, unless you remove your speaker or beep >>>>device.... I removed it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Please put it back with an option to switch it off if you >>> >>> >>dislike it so >> >> >>>much. I hate running non-queries and not seeing that they have >>>obviously completed. >>> >>> >>> >>Later we might add some animations (spinning thing in right >>side of the >>toolbar, and vacuum needs something too) >>The idea behind the query window is that all input is in the >>upper half, >>and all output is in the lower. Messages are mostly duplicated now, >>(message page and status line), and triplicated with that >>msgwindow. I >>just changed frmQuery so that in case no result set is returned the >>message page is selected. >> >> > >Mmmpph. Still doesn't make it obvious to me that a long running query >has completed. I'll try it out, but if I find it's no good then the >message box goes in with an option to enable/disable it. > > > >>This is becoming quite an option grave.... Don't like that either. It >>looks as if we couldn't decide what's working and what's not. Options >>should merely be for dividing beginners from advanced users. >>I'd really >>like to stick to a consistent behaviour. >>You might complain that the logging facility isn't sufficient >>for you, >>but that may not mean that the message window doesn't reflect what's >>going on with the *current* query. Then we'd need an >>additional logging >>page. And the possibility to save it to disk. And a clear >>option. And ...? >> >> > >And? That sounds good to me though the save to disk and clear options >are unnecessary > Right, you may cut-and-paste to KWrite instead of saving and clear is already implemented with Alt-F4 :-) > (yes, I realise you were being sarcastic). We are trying >to build feature rich software after all. Session logging is a useful >feature that's been in both previous versions of pgAdmin. pgAdmin II >even added a query recorder option to allow logs of sessions to be >maintained in a useful format. > "History" might even be a better title for that page. Regards, Andreas