On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 04:25:56PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:29 AM Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps it's worth asking whom the advice applies to then. You suggest
>> it's mostly developers. I for one am still grumpy that in 9.5 we
>> removed the variant of the hint that suggested "postgres -D ..." instead
>> of pg_ctl. I used to copy and paste that a lot. The argument back then
>> was that the hint should target end users, not developers. I doubt that
>> under the current circumstances, running pg_ctl start from the console
>> is really appropriate advice for a majority of users. (For one thing,
>> systemd will kill it when you log out.) I don't know what better advice
>
> I guess one option could be to just remove it, unconditionally. And
> assume that any users who is running it manually read that in docs
> somewhere that tells them what to do next, and that any user who's
> running it under a wrapper will have the wrapper set it up?
Hmm. I don't think that users running manually initdb will read the
documentation if we don't show directly a reference to them. FWIW, I
agree with Peter that it would have been nice to keep around the 9.5
hint, and I would wish that the last one remains around. I agree,
however, that there is value in having a switch that suppresses them.
>> would be, though. Maybe we need to add some kind of text adventure game
>> into initdb.
>
> I do like this idea though...
+1.
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Michael
