Re: Custom Scan APIs (Re: Custom Plan node) - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

Folks,

Let me remind the custom-scan patches; that is a basis feature of
remote join of postgres_fdw, cache-only scan, (upcoming) GPU
acceleration feature or various alternative ways to scan/join relations.
Unfortunately, small amount of discussion we could have in this commit
fest, even though Hanada-san volunteered to move the patches into
"ready for committer" state at the CF-Nov.

Prior to time-up, I'd like to ask hacker's opinion about its potential
arguable points (from my standpoint) if it needs to be fixed up.
One is hook definition to add alternative join path, and the other one
is a special varno when a custom scan replace a join node.
I'd like to see your opinion about them while we still have to change
the design if needed.

(1) Interface to add alternative paths in addition to built-in join paths

This patch adds "add_join_path_hook" on add_paths_to_joinrel to allow
extensions to provide alternative scan path in addition to the built-in
join paths. Custom-scan path being added is assumed to perform to scan
on a (virtual) relation that is a result set of joining relations.
My concern is its arguments to be pushed. This hook is declared as follows:

/* Hook for plugins to add custom join path, in addition to default ones */
typedef void (*add_join_path_hook_type)(PlannerInfo *root,
                                        RelOptInfo *joinrel,
                                        RelOptInfo *outerrel,
                                        RelOptInfo *innerrel,
                                        JoinType jointype,
                                        SpecialJoinInfo *sjinfo,
                                        List *restrictlist,
                                        List *mergeclause_list,
                                        SemiAntiJoinFactors *semifactors,
                                        Relids param_source_rels,
                                        Relids extra_lateral_rels);
extern PGDLLIMPORT add_join_path_hook_type add_join_path_hook;

Likely, its arguments upper than restrictlist should be informed to extensions,
because these are also arguments of add_paths_to_joinrel().
However, I'm not 100% certain how about other arguments should be informed.
Probably, it makes sense to inform param_source_rels and extra_lateral_rels
to check whether the path is sensible for parameterized paths.
On the other hand, I doubt whether mergeclause_list is usuful to deliver.
(It may make sense if someone tries to implement their own merge-join
implementation??)

I'd like to seem idea to improve the current interface specification.

(2) CUSTOM_VAR for special Var reference

@@ -134,6 +134,7 @@ typedef struct Expr
 #define    INNER_VAR       65000       /* reference to inner subplan */
 #define    OUTER_VAR       65001       /* reference to outer subplan */
 #define    INDEX_VAR       65002       /* reference to index column */
+#define    CUSTOM_VAR      65003       /* reference to custom column */

I newly added CUSTOM_VAR to handle a case when custom-scan override
join relations.
Var-nodes within join plan are adjusted to refer either ecxt_innertuple or
ecxt_outertuple of ExprContext. It makes a trouble if custom-scan runs
instead of built-in joins, because its tuples being fetched are usually
stored on the ecxt_scantuple, thus Var-nodes also need to have right
varno neither inner nor outer.

SetPlanRefCustomScan callback, being kicked on set_plan_refs, allows
extensions to rewrite Var-nodes within custom-scan node to indicate
ecxt_scantuple using CUSTOM_VAR, instead of inner or outer.
For example, a var-node with varno=CUSTOM_VAR and varattno=3 means
this node reference the third attribute of the tuple in ecxt_scantuple.
I think it is a reasonable solution, however, I'm not 100% certain
whether people have more graceful idea to implement it.

If you have comments around above two topic, or others, please give
your ideas.

Thanks,

2014-01-28 9:14 GMT+09:00 Kouhei Kaigai <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
>> * Kouhei Kaigai (kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com) wrote:
>> > Is somebody available to volunteer to review the custom-scan patch?
>>
>> I looked through it a bit and my first take away from it was that the patches
>> to actually use the new hooks were also making more changes to the backend
>> code, leaving me with the impression that the proposed interface isn't
>> terribly stable.  Perhaps those changes should have just been in the first
>> patch, but they weren't and that certainly gave me pause.
>>
> Yes, the part-1 patch provides a set of interface portion to interact
> between the backend code and extension code. Rest of part-2 and part-3
> portions are contrib modules that implements its feature on top of
> custom-scan API.
>
>> I'm also not entirely convinced that this is the direction to go in when
>> it comes to pushing down joins to FDWs.  While that's certainly a goal that
>> I think we all share, this seems to be intending to add a completely different
>> feature which happens to be able to be used for that.  For FDWs, wouldn't
>> we only present the FDW with the paths where the foreign tables for that
>> FDW, or perhaps just a given foreign server, are being joined?
>>
> FDW's join pushing down is one of the valuable use-cases of this interface,
> but not all. As you might know, my motivation is to implement GPU acceleration
> feature on top of this interface, that offers alternative way to scan or join
> relations or potentially sort or aggregate.
> Probably, it is too stretch interpretation if we implement radix-sort on top
> of FDW. I'd like you to understand the part-3 patch (FDW's join pushing-down)
> is a demonstration of custom-scan interface for application, but not designed
> for a special purpose.
>
> Right now, I put all the logic to interact CSI and FDW driver on postgres_fdw
> side, it might be an idea to have common code (like a logic to check whether
> the both relations to be joined belongs to same foreign server) on the backend
> side as something like a gateway of them.
>
>
> As an aside, what should be the scope of FDW interface?
> In my understanding, it allows extension to implement "something" on behalf of
> a particular data structure being declared with CREATE FOREIGN TABLE.
> In other words, extension's responsibility is to generate a view of "something"
> according to PostgreSQL' internal data structure, instead of the object itself.
> On the other hands, custom-scan interface allows extensions to implement
> alternative methods to scan or join particular relations, but it is not a role
> to perform as a target being referenced in queries. In other words, it is methods
> to access objects.
> It is natural both features are similar because both of them intends extensions
> to hook the planner and executor, however, its purpose is different.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> NEC OSS Promotion Center / PG-Strom Project
> KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>



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