Re: New email address - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Magnus Hagander
Subject Re: New email address
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Msg-id CABUevEynvdhQe-oSGAOgpY7+H-H6jGYr=F5JMnWFbYmxQwLsqg@mail.gmail.com
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In response to Re: New email address  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
Responses Re: New email address  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
Re: New email address  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> writes:
> Magnus Hagander wrote:
>> That's a direct effect of the dmarc policy change. Yahoo no longer supports
>> their customers using mailing lists. They changed their policies for such
>> emails to hard reject, which makes Gmail (and presumably others) stick them
>> in spam.. It would happen to all the emails except the ones where you are
>> on direct cc.

> FWIW we've been rejecting posts coming from @yahoo.com addresses for a
> long time now, since DMARC was first introduced.  We didn't get around
> to blocking other domains owned by Yahoo such as ymail.com or national
> yahoo subdomains, but I assume (without checking) that those will cause
> trouble too and we will have to block them out in order not to fill our
> queues with useless bounces.

FWIW, my neighborhood's mailing list just recently implemented some
changes that were supposed to allow the list to work again for Yahoo
and other DMARC-affected users, after quite some time without service.
I don't know how successful they were at that, nor how difficult the
changes were ... but I do know the list server was offline for more
than a day while the changes went in, so it was less than trivial.
The only real change I can detect from looking at mail headers is that
it seems the list may now be attaching its own DKIM-Signature header
to emails that had one upon arrival.

If anyone thinks we might be motivated to become DMARC compliant,
I can inquire for more details.  But I won't bother unless there's
real interest.


I'd definitely be interested at least in what they're doing. Whether we'd actually implement it would depend on the implications of course, but if they've actually figured out how to do it, it could be useful.

We've discussed just forcibly stripping the DKIM headers of those emails, but that's unlikely to help - I'm sure large mail providers will "know" that yahoo mail is supposed to carry DKIM and thus fail. The whole point of DKIM is to prevent changing the headers after all - and we do change the headers.

Yahoo has a page on it (can't find the ref this moment) where they simply say "there is no mailinglist software supporting this. There are some experimental patches for an old version of mailman that people will perhaps consider merging at some time in the future." 


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