Re: New archives for testing - Mailing list pgsql-www

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
>
> On Sunday, December 30, 2012, Tom Lane wrote:
>>
>> Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> writes:
>> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
>> >> The prompt isn't shown on all browsers, so we should stick it on the
>> >> website somewhere too.
>>
>> > Ugh, that's annoying.
>>
>> > Do you think we can get away without putting it next to every single
>> > link? Because I'm not sure how we can do that without making it look
>> > like crap. But if we don't, are people likely to ever read it?
>>
>> How big a problem is this?  When I checked, both Safari and Firefox
>> showed the prompt.  If there are just a few little-used browsers that
>> fail to show it, I'm not convinced that we have to clutter the pages
>> for everybody to cater to them.  I can think of more than a few other
>> sites where that prompt is pretty damn essential for usability, so
>> I would argue that a browser that doesn't show it is broken anyhow.
>
>
> I don't think it was originally intended as a prompt (it's the security
> realm actually), but most browsers showed it anyway and it's been (ab)used
> that way for years. FYI, the browser I saw not displaying it was Safari on
> iOS, so most definitely not 'little used'.

No, but not showing it makes it a pretty useless browser since it's
supposed to tell the user which password to use when different
sections on a site has different passwords.

That said, it doesn't matter how stupid or useless it is, if it's
reality :) We just have to deal with it. I'm not too worried about
iphone users - i doubt either the raw or the mbox view is very
interesting to them. Same for mbox users on iPad - however, I can
certainly see iPad users who want to get the raw view.

Right now, mobile is about 1.2% of our visitors to the archives.
Safari on ios 0.5%. iPhone is just over 0.3% and iPad just over 0.3%.

So it's a very small portion of our visitors. While the total numbers
are likely going up, I'm not sure those who actually want the raw
and/or mbox files are going to go up.

FWIW, it works fine in Chrome (46%), Firefox (36%) and Safari-desktop
(3%). Unverified at this point are IE (11%) and Opera(2%), the rest
are really far down the list.

So the question is how much effort we want to put into it. If we make
the 401 page itself contain the text, does that show up in safari
after authentication has failed, or does it show some custom page?

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