On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch> wrote:
> On 02/09/2011 06:25 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch> wrote:
>>> Thread based, dynamically allocatable and resizeable shared memory, as
>>> most other projects and developers use, for example.
>
> I didn't mean to say we should switch to that model. It's just *the*
> other model that works (whether or not it's better in general or for
> Postgres is debatable).
>
>> Or less invasively, a small sysv shm to prevent the double-postmaster
>> problem, and allocate the rest using POSIX shm.
>
> ..which allows ftruncate() to resize, right? That's the main benefit
> over sysv shm which we currently use.
>
> ISTM that addresses the resizing-of-the-overall-shared-memory question,
> but doesn't that require dynamic allocation or some other kind of
> book-keeping? Or do you envision all subsystems to have to
> re-initialize their new (grown or shrunken) chunk of it?
Basically, I'd be happy if all we got out of it was freedom from the
oppressive system shared memory limits. On a modern system, it's
hard to imagine that the default for shared_buffers should be less
than 256MB, but that blows out the default POSIX shared memory
allocation limits on every operating system I use, and some of those
need a reboot to fix it. That's needlessly reducing performance and
raising the barrier of entry for new users. I am waiting for the day
when I have to explain to the guy with a terabyte of memory that the
reason why his performance sucks so bad is because he's got a 16MB
buffer cache. The percentage of memory we're allocating to
shared_buffers should not need to be expressed in scientific notation.
But once we get out from under that, I think there might well be some
advantage to have certain subsystems allocate their own segments,
and/or using ftruncate() for resizing. I don't have a concrete
proposal in mind, though. It's very much non-trivial to resize
shared_buffers, for example, even if you assume that the size of the
shm can easily be changed. So I don't expect quick progress on this
front; but it would be nice to have those options available.
--
Robert Haas
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