Re: RFC: Table access methods and scans - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Jeff Davis
Subject Re: RFC: Table access methods and scans
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Msg-id 6d74b91d43479dc90c401e7ed7906258a1e42341.camel@j-davis.com
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In response to RFC: Table access methods and scans  (Mats Kindahl <mats@timescale.com>)
Responses Re: RFC: Table access methods and scans
Re: RFC: Table access methods and scans
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Hi,

On Wed, 2021-03-31 at 22:10 +0200, Mats Kindahl wrote:
> As an example of how this is useful, I noticed the work by Heikki and
> Ashwin [1], where they return a `TableScanDesc` that contains
> information about what columns to scan, which looks very useful.
> Since
> the function `table_beginscan` in `src/include/access/tableam.h`
> accept a `ScanKey` as input, this is (AFAICT) what Heikki and Ashwin
> was exploiting to create a specialized scan for a columnar store.

I don't think ScanKeys are the right place to store information about
what columns would be useful. See another thread[2] about that topic.

> Another example of where this can be useful is to optimize access
> during a sequential scan when you can handle some specific scans very
> efficiently and can "skip ahead" many tuples if you know what is
> being
> looked for instead of filtering "late". Two examples of where this
> could be useful are:
> 
> - An access method that reads data from a remote system and doesn't
> want
>   to transfer all tuples unless necessary.
> - Some sort of log-structured storage with Bloom filters that allows
>   you to quickly skip suites that do not have a key.

I agree that would be very conventient for non-heap AMs. There's a very
old commit[3] that says:

+       /*
+        * Note that unlike IndexScan, SeqScan never use keys
+        * in heap_beginscan (and this is very bad) - so, here
+        * we have not check are keys ok or not.
+        */

and that language has just been carried forward for decades. I wonder
if there's any major reason this hasn't been done yet. Does it just not
improve performance for a heap, or is there some other reason?

Regards,
    Jeff Davis

[2] 
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAE-ML+9RmTNzKCNTZPQf8O3b-UjHWGFbSoXpQa3Wvuc8YBbEQw@mail.gmail.com

[3] 
https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3a1ab764ef2





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