Re: [Cert] Re: PostgreSQL Certification - Mailing list pgsql-advocacy

what i am trying to point out is the following: imagine simon riggs or

yourself. you are definitely guys who should be allowed to certify people.

so, somehow we have to "flag" people like you to allow them to issue

certifications ...

i would suggest that individual or companies who have contributed codes

to the postgresql backend (or other major pg project like pgadmin,

dbi-link or whatever) should have some "gold" status and that only those

people are actually allowed to certify other people. this would help us

to make sure that we don't have too many "wonnabies" around and we can

ensure top quality.

I disagree on this point.

To me, we are discussing certification on a user-end point of view.

I want DBAs to be certified, not a certificate of PostgreSQL hacking.

Sure, PostgreSQL hackers are good at PostgreSQL DBA... But companies

don't want PostgreSQL hackers to manage their databases, they want DBAs.

i would suggest the policy: "if you want to certify people, send us a

patch proving that you know how pg really works". this would give the

entire thing a really professional look and it would be a very straight

and easy rule. 

I disagree completely. You'll have less than 10 companies certified

worldwide then. And less than a few hundred of ceritified "PostgreSQL

hackers", what the industry really don't care about.

CTO want to hire PostgreSQL DBAs and with a right certification program,

they'll have a paper to ask them...

In the same idea:

 - a TOEFL (or TOIC) relates your knowledge in English

 - a driving licence relates your knowledge of driving a car

 - etc....

A PostgreSQL certification relates your knowledge in managing PostgreSQL

databases, not how PostgreSQL is coded.

if we don't ensure top quality, the entire thing is worthless. if every

half-professional is allowed to certify, we can already stop before we

start.

I know thats not what you wanted to tell us, but Its a kind of rudeness

to me reading this.

Saying that top quality is only achieved with PostgreSQL coding, and

that all others are half-professional is an insult to me.

most guys on this list here have written one or the other patch in the

past so it should be fine ...

how about that?

Most guys on this list? I think thats the contrary.

But please admit we are discussing the PostgreSQL certification on the

end-user point of view!!

I mean I want DBAs to have a paper that "certificate" they have enough

knowledge in PostgreSQL to manage database upon this technology the

right way.

Fr.org

www.Dalibo.com