Re: Timezone List - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Naz Gassiep
Subject Re: Timezone List
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Msg-id 44FF2180.5040202@mira.net
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In response to Re: Timezone List  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
Responses Re: Timezone List  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
Re: Timezone List  (Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org>)
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> Actually, what that view gives you is timezone offset abbreviations, not
> the full zone names that you could use with SET TIME ZONE.  It strikes
> me that we should have a view for that as well.  We could use code
> similar to scan_available_timezones() to generate the view output.
>
> It's somewhat urgent to address this now, because pg_timezonenames is
> sitting on the obvious name for such a view, and once we release 8.2
> we won't be able to change it.  On reflection I think the existing view
> is wrongly named --- perhaps it should be pg_timezoneabbrevs?  Or
> more readably, perhaps pg_timezone_abbrevs, with pg_timezone_names for
> the other view.
>
>             regards, tom lane
>   
I agree with having two views, and I also think that the name as it is, 
is not right. I agree with pg_timezone_abbrevs and pg_timezone_names or 
similar.

On a related note, there is not a one:one relationship between 
abbreviations and zone names, some abbreviations are used by two zones 
(forex "EST", "CST" and others are used in Australia and the Americas) 
and currently it is a server configuration directive 
(australian_timezones) to assume Australian or American zones in the 
case of ambiguity.

I don't know about anyone else, but the whole australian_timezones thing 
seems like an ugly hackaround to me. I do not have a proposed solution 
to this, but I see a non-trivial risk of an application being 
re-deployed on a server where the admin forgets to change this directive 
resulting in all kinds of fun and games. Forgive me if this is an 
already-discussed issue.

I am also rather baffled at the way "SAT" is changed from being 
interpreted as a day of the week in one mode, and a timezone in another. 
This seems an awful incongruity of behavior, and "SAT" should be 
interpreted as a timezone in both modes. If it must be done, switching 
of this behavior doesn't fit in with the purpose of the 
australian_timezones directive and should be made the subject of a 
different directive (e.g., sat_is_timezone(boolean) or something 
similar). SAT should, IMHO, always be considered a timezone and use of 
the "SAT" string by DB programmers should be just another case for care 
as with any other SQL keyword.


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