Re: PostgreSQL Certification - Mailing list pgsql-advocacy
| From | Robert Bernier |
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| Subject | Re: PostgreSQL Certification |
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| Msg-id | 3F9D810D.3090906@sympatico.ca Whole thread Raw |
| In response to | Re: PostgreSQL Certification (Devrim GUNDUZ <devrim@gunduz.org>) |
| List | pgsql-advocacy |
Hi guys,
I've been watching this thread for the last little while and I'd like to contribute a little of my own thoughts. In the province of Ontario if you want to create courseware under the "Private Vocational School Act", that's your typical IT school folks, you need to describe the conduct of each class down to a minute by minute description. The course is vetted and approved by the government's own education professionals who may or may not know anything about postgres but they sure as hell know the business of education and can recognize whether or not somebody is competent and knows enough to be trusted and to receive government approval, which by the way takes the form of money, lots of it i.e. in the form of student loan funding for the educational institution to take that course.
If the postgres community wants certification then here's one way I believe it could be done:
1. write a text book / develop courseware
2. use the book in a local college environment
3. after running a couple of cycles of running the course then make a formal pitch at the local govt responsible for funding of educational institutions
4. run another couple of cycles of the course now in its sanctioned format (you are by the way further refining the text book)
5. now create a corporate (non profit maybe) structure that takes over and takes the necesary steps to get it into the prometric testing infra-structure (or comptia.. whatever)
6. offer the text book as the reference for certification.
If the core development group is willing to give its blessing to the force behind this courseware then it's just a matter of going through the steps and not making enemies as you go through the motions. I know of people who have already done most of these steps within their own specialization.
Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
I've been watching this thread for the last little while and I'd like to contribute a little of my own thoughts. In the province of Ontario if you want to create courseware under the "Private Vocational School Act", that's your typical IT school folks, you need to describe the conduct of each class down to a minute by minute description. The course is vetted and approved by the government's own education professionals who may or may not know anything about postgres but they sure as hell know the business of education and can recognize whether or not somebody is competent and knows enough to be trusted and to receive government approval, which by the way takes the form of money, lots of it i.e. in the form of student loan funding for the educational institution to take that course.
If the postgres community wants certification then here's one way I believe it could be done:
1. write a text book / develop courseware
2. use the book in a local college environment
3. after running a couple of cycles of running the course then make a formal pitch at the local govt responsible for funding of educational institutions
4. run another couple of cycles of the course now in its sanctioned format (you are by the way further refining the text book)
5. now create a corporate (non profit maybe) structure that takes over and takes the necesary steps to get it into the prometric testing infra-structure (or comptia.. whatever)
6. offer the text book as the reference for certification.
If the core development group is willing to give its blessing to the force behind this courseware then it's just a matter of going through the steps and not making enemies as you go through the motions. I know of people who have already done most of these steps within their own specialization.
Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Bruce Momjian wrote:How do we evaluate those classes? Is someone going to be there? We can look at the printed curriculum, but do we know the instructor can answer a reasonable question _not_ on the curriculum? How do we tell a company we will _not_ cerify their course?What about certifiying the instructor first? I mean: 'PGDG Certified Instructors'. If I'm a PGDG Certified instructor, everyone should be sure that I could answare almost 'any' question about PostgreSQL. Ok, let's see the point: We are running an open-source product, that has no company with it. I'd prefer a class that will be certified by a company or Development Group. For example, there are a lot of Linux Classes in here; but when I feel that I need to take a certificate, I'd prefer Red Hat's exams. So, there may be a lot of PostgreSQL classes everywhere --but I'm pretty sure that people will choose a (PGDG) certified class. All you need to say is 'PGDG Certifies XX Company's Courses'; you do not need to announce the opposite.
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