Re: old_snapshot_threshold allows heap:toast disagreement - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

Hi,

On 2016-07-26 15:13:41 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com> wrote:
> >> This PostgreSQL 9.6 open item now needs a permanent owner.  Would any other
> >> committer like to take ownership?  If this role interests you, please read
> >> this thread and the policy linked above, then send an initial status update
> >> bearing a date for your subsequent status update.  If the item does not have a
> >> permanent owner by 2016-07-24 02:00 UTC, I will resolve the item by reverting
> >> commit 848ef42 and followups.
> >
> > I will adopt this item.  I will provide an initial patch for this
> > issue, or convince someone else to do so, within one week.  Therefore,
> > expect a further status update from me on or before July 28th.  I
> > expect that the patch will be based on ideas from these emails:
> >
> > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/1AB8F80A-D16E-4154-9497-98FBB164253D@anarazel.de
> > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20160720181213.f4io7gc6lyc377sw@alap3.anarazel.de
> 
> Here is a patch.

Cool!


Why did you decide to introduce MaximumXLogRecPtr? Wouldn't just using
InvalidXLogRecPtr do the trick? That already prevents errors.


> Please review.  I'm not suffering from an overwhelming excess of
> confidence that this is correct.  In particular, I'm concerned about
> the fact that there isn't always a registered snapshot - if you make
> it ERROR out when that happens instead of doing what it actually does,
> the regression tests fail in CLUSTER and CREATE VIEW.

Right.


> Also, I wonder why it's right to use
> pairingheap_first() instead of looking at the oldest snapshot on the
> active snapshot stack, or conversely why that is right and this is
> not.  Or maybe we need to check both.

Well, generally, the older the snapshot we use is, the more we'll error
out spuriously. The reason to use the oldest from the pairing heap is
that that'll be the most conservative value, right?  If there's neither
an active, nor a registered snapshot, we'll not prevent pruning in the
first place (and xmin ought to be invalid).  As registered snapshots are
usually "older" than active ones, we definitely have to check those. But
you're right, it seems safer to also check active ones - which squares
with SnapshotResetXmin().


> The basic principle of testing both MVCC and TOAST snapshots for
> snapshot-too-old problems seems sound.  Furthermore, it seems clear
> enough that if we're ever looking up a datum in the TOAST table whose
> xmin is no longer included in our MyPgXact->xmin, then we're
> vulnerable to having TOAST chunks vacuumed away under us even without
> snapshot_too_old enabled.

Exactly.


> But there's a bit of spooky action at a
> distance: if we don't see any snapshots, then we have to assume that
> the scan is being performed with a non-MVCC snapshot and therefore we
> don't need to worry.  But there's no way to verify that via an
> assertion, because the connection between the relevant MVCC snapshot
> and the corresponding TOAST snapshot is pretty indirect, mediated only
> by snapmgr.c.

Hm. Could we perhaps assert that the session has a valid xmin?


Greetings,

Andres Freund