Thread: Re: Upgrade Ubuntu 22 -> 24 may break PostgreSQL

Re: Upgrade Ubuntu 22 -> 24 may break PostgreSQL

From
Justin Clift
Date:
On 2024-09-01 02:54, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> 'Tis the season again.
> 
> Ubuntu 24.04.1 has just been released, so many Ubuntu LTS users will 
> now
> be prompted to upgrade from 22.04 to 24.04.
> 
> A word of warning to those who use Postgresql from the Ubuntu repo (not
> PGDG):
> 
> As usual, a newer Ubuntu version comes with a newer Postgres version 
> (16
> instead of 14). Also as usual, I got a message during the upgrade that
> Postgres 14 is obsolete,. but the binaries have been left installed and
> I should upgrade to Postgres 16 manually ASAP.

It'd *technically* be possible to automatically run an upgrade of the
PostgreSQL repository (via scripting?) at launch time, though just 
blindly
doing it for everyone would be a *major* change of behaviour.

Some people would likely love it, while others would be horrified (etc).

That being said, if we announce it ahead of time as a feature of a major
release (ie PG 18 or something), and if we have a clear way to not
automatically upgrade (a variable in postgresql.conf?), then we might be
able to solve this problem ~permanently.

We'd also need to figure out how to handle (say) rebuilding of indexes
that need updating between major versions and stuff like that.

Thoughts?

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift



Re: Upgrade Ubuntu 22 -> 24 may break PostgreSQL

From
Adrian Klaver
Date:
On 8/31/24 19:32, Justin Clift wrote:
> On 2024-09-01 02:54, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>> 'Tis the season again.

>> As usual, a newer Ubuntu version comes with a newer Postgres version (16
>> instead of 14). Also as usual, I got a message during the upgrade that
>> Postgres 14 is obsolete,. but the binaries have been left installed and
>> I should upgrade to Postgres 16 manually ASAP.
> 
> It'd *technically* be possible to automatically run an upgrade of the
> PostgreSQL repository (via scripting?) at launch time, though just blindly
> doing it for everyone would be a *major* change of behaviour.

The OP was using the Ubuntu repo and for a given major version of Ubuntu 
that is pinned to a given major version of Postgres. I am not seeing 
changing that would go over well. Now if a user is using the PGDG repo's 
that is a different story, then you point at the repo's for the new 
Ubuntu version do an update/upgrade and you are back on track.

> Thoughts?

This is something the end user needs to work out ahead of time as there 
is an overhead in the process they need to take into consideration. 
Cranking up a new version of Ubuntu/Debian and have it take off doing 
things behind the scenes to the Postgres instance(s) would disturb me.

> 
> Regards and best wishes,
> 
> Justin Clift
> 
> 

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Adrian Klaver
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