Thread: cleaning up - /community/international/
Hi all! So while looking at something else, I noted that we might be somewhat overdue on cleaning up https://www.postgresql.org/community/international/ or at least discuss the actual rules for pointing to international "community" sites... Looking at the current entries I would say(most using google translate so caveats apply): * both Chinese (Simplified) and Chines (Traditional) look kinda ok * Czech - looks a bit weird - seems to be some sort of wikipedia installation with some (random) information added but contains at least a link to a czech google group that seems to be fairly active * Deutsch - seems somewhat questionable - is not available as https and does not seem to contain anything "community" related but rather just mirrors some of the main website content mixed with some references to commercial(?) offerings and ads * Français looks fine * Israel looks fine * Italiano - looks fairly outdated in some areas and does not seem to have seen any updates in at least 2 years? * Japanese - looks fine * Korean - looks fine * Polska - this on is dead - promotes PostgreSQL 9.3 from 2013... * Russian - no real content on it's own but rather a link to other resources, looks ok though * Türkce - dead as well - promotes PostgreSQL 10.3 and the last update seems to be > 5 years ago So independent of the bigger question on actual rules for a listing - I propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure what to do about "Deutsch" and "Italiano" - any comments on that? Stefan
On 1/15/24 10:36 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: > Hi all! > > > So while looking at something else, I noted that we might be somewhat > overdue on cleaning up > https://www.postgresql.org/community/international/ or at least discuss > the actual rules for pointing to international "community" sites... > > > Looking at the current entries I would say(most using google translate > so caveats apply): > > * both Chinese (Simplified) and Chines (Traditional) look kinda ok > > * Czech - looks a bit weird - seems to be some sort of wikipedia > installation with some (random) information added but contains at least > a link to a czech google group that seems to be fairly active > > * Deutsch - seems somewhat questionable - is not available as https and > does not seem to contain anything "community" related but rather just > mirrors some of the main website content mixed with some references to > commercial(?) offerings and ads > > * Français looks fine > > * Israel looks fine > > * Italiano - looks fairly outdated in some areas and does not seem to > have seen any updates in at least 2 years? > > * Japanese - looks fine > > * Korean - looks fine > > * Polska - this on is dead - promotes PostgreSQL 9.3 from 2013... > > * Russian - no real content on it's own but rather a link to other > resources, looks ok though > > * Türkce - dead as well - promotes PostgreSQL 10.3 and the last update > seems to be > 5 years ago > > > So independent of the bigger question on actual rules for a listing - I > propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure what > to do about "Deutsch" and "Italiano" - any comments on that? The question I'd raise is why do we need to drop them? They still have content that is helpful for the local communities. The *current* content is out-of-date, but also having the sites up allows others to find it and possibly work to maintain the site. Thanks, Jonathan
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> On 17 Jan 2024, at 05:47, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: > On 1/15/24 10:36 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: >> I propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure what to do about "Deutsch" and "Italiano" - any commentson that? > > The question I'd raise is why do we need to drop them? They still have content that is helpful for the local communities.The *current* content is out-of-date, but also having the sites up allows others to find it and possibly workto maintain the site. Sites that haven't been updated in 10+ years clearly haven't benefited from being listed here, so I question the value in maintaining links to stale content. I agree with dropping Türkce and Polska. -- Daniel Gustafsson
On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:03 PM Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> wrote: > > > On 17 Jan 2024, at 05:47, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: > > On 1/15/24 10:36 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: > > >> I propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure what to do about "Deutsch" and "Italiano" - anycomments on that? > > > > The question I'd raise is why do we need to drop them? They still have content that is helpful for the local communities.The *current* content is out-of-date, but also having the sites up allows others to find it and possibly workto maintain the site. > > Sites that haven't been updated in 10+ years clearly haven't benefited from > being listed here, so I question the value in maintaining links to stale > content. I agree with dropping Türkce and Polska. +1. -- Magnus Hagander Me: https://www.hagander.net/ Work: https://www.redpill-linpro.com/
On 2/26/24 8:33 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:03 PM Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> wrote: >> >>> On 17 Jan 2024, at 05:47, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: >>> On 1/15/24 10:36 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: >> >>>> I propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure what to do about "Deutsch" and "Italiano" - anycomments on that? >>> >>> The question I'd raise is why do we need to drop them? They still have content that is helpful for the local communities.The *current* content is out-of-date, but also having the sites up allows others to find it and possibly workto maintain the site. >> >> Sites that haven't been updated in 10+ years clearly haven't benefited from >> being listed here, so I question the value in maintaining links to stale >> content. I agree with dropping Türkce and Polska. > > > +1. -1; the Turkish website is recently updated, and contains info about PostgreSQL 16.2 and an upcoming conference: https://www.postgresql.org.tr/ I think it's worth reaching out to the folks who maintain the Polish website before we remove it, or see if others are willing to maintain or create a new one. Thanks, Jonathan
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> On 26 Feb 2024, at 15:48, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: > > On 2/26/24 8:33 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:03 PM Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> wrote: >>> >>>> On 17 Jan 2024, at 05:47, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: >>>> On 1/15/24 10:36 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: >>> >>>>> I propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure what to do about "Deutsch" and "Italiano" - anycomments on that? >>>> >>>> The question I'd raise is why do we need to drop them? They still have content that is helpful for the local communities.The *current* content is out-of-date, but also having the sites up allows others to find it and possibly workto maintain the site. >>> >>> Sites that haven't been updated in 10+ years clearly haven't benefited from >>> being listed here, so I question the value in maintaining links to stale >>> content. I agree with dropping Türkce and Polska. >> +1. > > -1; the Turkish website is recently updated, and contains info about PostgreSQL 16.2 and an upcoming conference: > > https://www.postgresql.org.tr/ Fair enough, I had missed that. > I think it's worth reaching out to the folks who maintain the Polish website before we remove it, or see if others arewilling to maintain or create a new one. Sure, if someone want's to do that then I won't object of course. -- Daniel Gustafsson
On 2/26/24 9:55 AM, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: >> On 26 Feb 2024, at 15:48, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: >> >> I think it's worth reaching out to the folks who maintain the Polish website before we remove it, or see if others arewilling to maintain or create a new one. > > Sure, if someone want's to do that then I won't object of course. So, after spending 10 mins trying to figure out who to contact and getting nowhere, I'm flipping my position and saying +1 for removing. Thanks, Jonathan
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> On 26 Feb 2024, at 16:01, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: > > On 2/26/24 9:55 AM, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: >>> On 26 Feb 2024, at 15:48, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote: >>> > >>> I think it's worth reaching out to the folks who maintain the Polish website before we remove it, or see if others arewilling to maintain or create a new one. >> Sure, if someone want's to do that then I won't object of course. > > So, after spending 10 mins trying to figure out who to contact and getting nowhere, I'm flipping my position and saying+1 for removing. Ok, I'll go ahead and remove the Polish link leaving all others in place. -- Daniel Gustafsson
On 26.02.24 15:48, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > On 2/26/24 8:33 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:03 PM Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> >> wrote: >>> >>>> On 17 Jan 2024, at 05:47, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> On 1/15/24 10:36 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: >>> >>>>> I propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure >>>>> what to do about "Deutsch" and "Italiano" - any comments on that? >>>> >>>> The question I'd raise is why do we need to drop them? They still >>>> have content that is helpful for the local communities. The >>>> *current* content is out-of-date, but also having the sites up >>>> allows others to find it and possibly work to maintain the site. >>> >>> Sites that haven't been updated in 10+ years clearly haven't >>> benefited from >>> being listed here, so I question the value in maintaining links to stale >>> content. I agree with dropping Türkce and Polska. >> >> >> +1. > > -1; the Turkish website is recently updated, and contains info about > PostgreSQL 16.2 and an upcoming conference: > > https://www.postgresql.org.tr/ > > I think it's worth reaching out to the folks who maintain the Polish > website before we remove it, or see if others are willing to maintain or > create a new one. indeed... it seems to have been updated somewhat (though in a rather improvised matter it seems) - however I'm still unsure on what the point of the entire listing director is? Currently it seems like a (more or less) random mix of usergroup sites with mixed content of varying commercial background and we have some duplications with other listings that are more explicit on their purpose for example: Taiwan PostgreSQL User Group with https://postgresql.tw/ is listed both under https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ and https://www.postgresql.org/community/international/ (same for China or Italy) with the later providing more context and content. We are providing quite some powerful backlink to those sites and right now it seems somewhat unclear definition of what is required to be listed on on of those pages. We are also not really providing much bacground either - als we say is "The following are links to international PostgreSQL community websites." which kind implies that it international and we consider those targets "community websites" - but compared to how sharply we have defined "community" elsewhere (say conference guidelines or the user group policy) that is not much. Stefan