Thread: CTE Materialization

CTE Materialization

From
Paul van der Linden
Date:
Hi,

when switching to postgres 14 (from 11) I'm having some slow queries because of inlining of CTE's.
I know I can get the same result as with PG11 when adding MATERIALIZED to the cte, but the same application also needs to be able to run on older postgres versions, so that is a no-go.
Is there any other way that I can have materialized cte's in PG14 while still be compatible with older PG versions?
Much appreciated,

Paul

PS please cc me when answering

Re: CTE Materialization

From
"David G. Johnston"
Date:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, Paul van der Linden <paul.doskabouter@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

when switching to postgres 14 (from 11) I'm having some slow queries because of inlining of CTE's.
I know I can get the same result as with PG11 when adding MATERIALIZED to the cte, but the same application also needs to be able to run on older postgres versions, so that is a no-go.
Is there any other way that I can have materialized cte's in PG14 while still be compatible with older PG versions?
Much appreciated,

The usual anti-inlining hack is to add an “offset 0” to the query.  Haven’t tried it in 14 myself though.

David J.
 

Re: CTE Materialization

From
Paul van der Linden
Date:
Thanks a lot, completely forgot that one!
Gonna test that tomorrow...

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 11:34 PM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, Paul van der Linden <paul.doskabouter@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

when switching to postgres 14 (from 11) I'm having some slow queries because of inlining of CTE's.
I know I can get the same result as with PG11 when adding MATERIALIZED to the cte, but the same application also needs to be able to run on older postgres versions, so that is a no-go.
Is there any other way that I can have materialized cte's in PG14 while still be compatible with older PG versions?
Much appreciated,

The usual anti-inlining hack is to add an “offset 0” to the query.  Haven’t tried it in 14 myself though.

David J.
 

Re: CTE Materialization

From
Paul van der Linden
Date:
It did indeed work as expected.
Took the query down from over 18 hours to 20 minutes, so a huge win!

Paul

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 11:34 PM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, Paul van der Linden <paul.doskabouter@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

when switching to postgres 14 (from 11) I'm having some slow queries because of inlining of CTE's.
I know I can get the same result as with PG11 when adding MATERIALIZED to the cte, but the same application also needs to be able to run on older postgres versions, so that is a no-go.
Is there any other way that I can have materialized cte's in PG14 while still be compatible with older PG versions?
Much appreciated,

The usual anti-inlining hack is to add an “offset 0” to the query.  Haven’t tried it in 14 myself though.

David J.
 

Re: CTE Materialization

From
Дмитрий Иванов
Date:
I beg your pardon.
The problem is more or less clear to me, but the solution is not. What does the "hack is to add an "offset 0" to the query" suggest? Thank you.
--
Regards, Dmitry!


вт, 7 дек. 2021 г. в 10:20, Paul van der Linden <paul.doskabouter@gmail.com>:
It did indeed work as expected.
Took the query down from over 18 hours to 20 minutes, so a huge win!

Paul

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 11:34 PM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, Paul van der Linden <paul.doskabouter@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

when switching to postgres 14 (from 11) I'm having some slow queries because of inlining of CTE's.
I know I can get the same result as with PG11 when adding MATERIALIZED to the cte, but the same application also needs to be able to run on older postgres versions, so that is a no-go.
Is there any other way that I can have materialized cte's in PG14 while still be compatible with older PG versions?
Much appreciated,

The usual anti-inlining hack is to add an “offset 0” to the query.  Haven’t tried it in 14 myself though.

David J.
 

Re: CTE Materialization

From
"David G. Johnston"
Date:
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 6:40 PM Дмитрий Иванов <firstdismay@gmail.com> wrote:
I beg your pardon.
The problem is more or less clear to me, but the solution is not. What does the "hack is to add an "offset 0" to the query" suggest? Thank you.


A subquery with a LIMIT clause cannot have where clause expressions in upper parts of the query tree pushed down it without changing the overall query result - something the planner is not allowed to do.  For the hack, since adding an actual LIMIT clause doesn't make sense you omit it, but still add the related OFFSET clause so the planner still treats the subquery as a LIMIT subquery.  And since you don't want to skip any rows you specify 0 for the offset.

David J.

Re: CTE Materialization

From
Paul van der Linden
Date:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:14 AM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 6:40 PM Дмитрий Иванов <firstdismay@gmail.com> wrote:
I beg your pardon.
The problem is more or less clear to me, but the solution is not. What does the "hack is to add an "offset 0" to the query" suggest? Thank you.


A subquery with a LIMIT clause cannot have where clause expressions in upper parts of the query tree pushed down it without changing the overall query result - something the planner is not allowed to do.  For the hack, since adding an actual LIMIT clause doesn't make sense you omit it, but still add the related OFFSET clause so the planner still treats the subquery as a LIMIT subquery.  And since you don't want to skip any rows you specify 0 for the offset.

David J.

Re: CTE Materialization

From
Дмитрий Иванов
Date:
Спасибо! 
--
С уважением, Дмитрий!


ср, 8 дек. 2021 г. в 22:58, Paul van der Linden <paul.doskabouter@gmail.com>:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:14 AM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 6:40 PM Дмитрий Иванов <firstdismay@gmail.com> wrote:
I beg your pardon.
The problem is more or less clear to me, but the solution is not. What does the "hack is to add an "offset 0" to the query" suggest? Thank you.


A subquery with a LIMIT clause cannot have where clause expressions in upper parts of the query tree pushed down it without changing the overall query result - something the planner is not allowed to do.  For the hack, since adding an actual LIMIT clause doesn't make sense you omit it, but still add the related OFFSET clause so the planner still treats the subquery as a LIMIT subquery.  And since you don't want to skip any rows you specify 0 for the offset.

David J.

Re: CTE Materialization

From
Richard Michael
Date:


On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 10:29, Paul van der Linden <paul.doskabouter@gmail.com> wrote:

Given indexes applicable to multiple expressions in a WHERE condition, how does postgres decide which index is most beneficial to use?

The author of that SO post tried to adjust the default statistics target, presumably to convince postgres to use the faster primary key index, instead of the slower gist index on the hstore values, but this didn't work.

thanks,
richard


On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:14 AM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 6:40 PM Дмитрий Иванов <firstdismay@gmail.com> wrote:
I beg your pardon.
The problem is more or less clear to me, but the solution is not. What does the "hack is to add an "offset 0" to the query" suggest? Thank you.


A subquery with a LIMIT clause cannot have where clause expressions in upper parts of the query tree pushed down it without changing the overall query result - something the planner is not allowed to do.  For the hack, since adding an actual LIMIT clause doesn't make sense you omit it, but still add the related OFFSET clause so the planner still treats the subquery as a LIMIT subquery.  And since you don't want to skip any rows you specify 0 for the offset.

David J.