Thread: BigSQL Download descriptions
I had cause to look at the BigSQL downloads again, and realised that the descriptions on our download pages (and the language on the BigSQL website) seems to be quite inaccurate and exaggerated: On https://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx/, I believe there are the following issues: - "plus dozens of pre-integrated open source community components.": If I run BigSQL Manager, I'm offered ten add-ons to download (which includes a JRE). If I look in the database server installation, I also see pl/Java, plv8, plProfiler and plDebugger extensions. "Dozens" is clearly inaccurate. - "high availability": There is a "failoverd.pl" included with PostgreSQL, which claims to manage streaming replication. However, the docs require additional modules to be installed using CPAN, and pgBouncer (not included anywhere that I can see). I do not believe that could reasonably be called "pre-integrated". - "replication": I can't find any non-core replication tools or extensions in BigSQL Manager or on disk. There is similar wording on the Windows download page, but I couldn't verify what is available in BigSQL Manager there, as it simply wouldn't run on my Windows 7 box. However, failoverd.pl doesn't appear to be included at all. On the BigSQL website itself there is also a prominent "Components" link. To a casual user, it would appear that that page lists what is available in BigSQL, however, it lists over 20 components I can find no sign of either in the installation on my Windows or Mac machines, or in BigSQL Manager. I do not believe this meets the standard we should expect of packages listed on our primary download page, and ask that corrections are made ASAP. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
I had cause to look at the BigSQL downloads again, and realised that
the descriptions on our download pages (and the language on the BigSQL
website) seems to be quite inaccurate and exaggerated:
On https://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx/, I believe there are
the following issues:
- "plus dozens of pre-integrated open source community components.":
If I run BigSQL Manager, I'm offered ten add-ons to download (which
includes a JRE). If I look in the database server installation, I also
see pl/Java, plv8, plProfiler and plDebugger extensions. "Dozens" is
clearly inaccurate.
- "high availability": There is a "failoverd.pl" included with
PostgreSQL, which claims to manage streaming replication. However, the
docs require additional modules to be installed using CPAN, and
pgBouncer (not included anywhere that I can see). I do not believe
that could reasonably be called "pre-integrated".
- "replication": I can't find any non-core replication tools or
extensions in BigSQL Manager or on disk.
There is similar wording on the Windows download page, but I couldn't
verify what is available in BigSQL Manager there, as it simply
wouldn't run on my Windows 7 box. However, failoverd.pl doesn't appear
to be included at all.
On the BigSQL website itself there is also a prominent "Components"
link. To a casual user, it would appear that that page lists what is
available in BigSQL, however, it lists over 20 components I can find
no sign of either in the installation on my Windows or Mac machines,
or in BigSQL Manager.
I do not believe this meets the standard we should expect of packages
listed on our primary download page, and ask that corrections are made
ASAP.
--
Dave Page
Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
Twitter: @pgsnake
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Dave -
Thank you for the feedback. The attached patch addresses the comments you raised. Please review and apply if approved.
We have tried to replicate the issue you mention running on Windows 7 but have not been able to - trying with various combinations of python or not, admin or not, etc in all cases BigSQL Manager ran just fine. If you have any additional detail we would be glad to look in to your problem more.
Thanks
Dave
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Rader, David <davidr@openscg.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >> >> I had cause to look at the BigSQL downloads again, and realised that >> the descriptions on our download pages (and the language on the BigSQL >> website) seems to be quite inaccurate and exaggerated: >> >> On https://www.postgresql.org/download/macosx/, I believe there are >> the following issues: >> >> - "plus dozens of pre-integrated open source community components.": >> If I run BigSQL Manager, I'm offered ten add-ons to download (which >> includes a JRE). If I look in the database server installation, I also >> see pl/Java, plv8, plProfiler and plDebugger extensions. "Dozens" is >> clearly inaccurate. >> >> - "high availability": There is a "failoverd.pl" included with >> PostgreSQL, which claims to manage streaming replication. However, the >> docs require additional modules to be installed using CPAN, and >> pgBouncer (not included anywhere that I can see). I do not believe >> that could reasonably be called "pre-integrated". >> >> - "replication": I can't find any non-core replication tools or >> extensions in BigSQL Manager or on disk. >> >> There is similar wording on the Windows download page, but I couldn't >> verify what is available in BigSQL Manager there, as it simply >> wouldn't run on my Windows 7 box. However, failoverd.pl doesn't appear >> to be included at all. >> >> On the BigSQL website itself there is also a prominent "Components" >> link. To a casual user, it would appear that that page lists what is >> available in BigSQL, however, it lists over 20 components I can find >> no sign of either in the installation on my Windows or Mac machines, >> or in BigSQL Manager. >> >> I do not believe this meets the standard we should expect of packages >> listed on our primary download page, and ask that corrections are made >> ASAP. >> >> -- >> Dave Page >> Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com >> Twitter: @pgsnake >> >> >> -- >> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) >> To make changes to your subscription: >> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www > > > > Dave - > > Thank you for the feedback. The attached patch addresses the comments you > raised. Please review and apply if approved. Thanks, committed. > We have tried to replicate the issue you mention running on Windows 7 but > have not been able to - trying with various combinations of python or not, > admin or not, etc in all cases BigSQL Manager ran just fine. If you have any > additional detail we would be glad to look in to your problem more. All I saw (once - now I see nothing) was: ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. ERROR: Input redirection is not supported, exiting the process immediately. In a message box. Are you planning to make your website clearer so it's more obvious that the list of components is not actually what is available with BigSQL? -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
<snip>
Are you planning to make your website clearer so it's more obvious
that the list of components is not actually what is available with
BigSQL?
We are continually trying to improve the bigsql.org website to make all of the docs as clear and as useful as possible. We just reviewed the list of components and with the exception of the client connectors and the 2 marked coming soon, they are all available through BigSQL - either as a included component in the PostgreSQL install or an installable component through pgc/bigsql manager.
Some of them are still in "test" which means that in BigSQL manager you need to turn on the test components (settings page) - which we need to document in the BigSQL manager doc. A couple are Linux only at this point, and that is documented on the specific doc page for those components.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Rader, David <davidr@openscg.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >> Are you planning to make your website clearer so it's more obvious >> that the list of components is not actually what is available with >> BigSQL? >> > > We are continually trying to improve the bigsql.org website to make all of > the docs as clear and as useful as possible. We just reviewed the list of > components and with the exception of the client connectors and the 2 marked > coming soon, they are all available through BigSQL - either as a included > component in the PostgreSQL install or an installable component through > pgc/bigsql manager. > > Some of them are still in "test" which means that in BigSQL manager you need > to turn on the test components (settings page) - which we need to document > in the BigSQL manager doc. A couple are Linux only at this point, and that > is documented on the specific doc page for those components. Ah, OK. Thanks. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company