Thread: RDS announcement
Folks, The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking not, but wanted to be sure. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 01:01:34PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > Folks, > > The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the > impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're > trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this > appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking > not, but wanted to be sure. No, I don't think so. It isn't an announcement about a new product or anything, i.e. it is only of interest to existing customers. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + Everyone has their own god. +
Are they (AWS) making a donation?
Dave Cramer
On 18 March 2015 at 16:01, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
Folks,
The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the
impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're
trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this
appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking
not, but wanted to be sure.
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
Folks,
The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the
impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're
trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this
appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking
not, but wanted to be sure.
I'd say no. But it might be appropriate with an email to -general for example, just to get peoples eyes up.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 09:04:16PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > > Folks, > > The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the > impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're > trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this > appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking > not, but wanted to be sure. > > > I'd say no. But it might be appropriate with an email to -general for example, > just to get peoples eyes up. Uh, even there, I don't think that fits the charter. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + Everyone has their own god. +
On 03/18/2015 01:05 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 09:04:16PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the >> impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're >> trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this >> appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking >> not, but wanted to be sure. It seems to me they should have contact info for all their RDS users? That said, if we want to be helpful, wouldn't -announce be the platform of choice? JD -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Support, Training, Professional Services and Development High Availability, Oracle Conversion, @cmdpromptinc Now I get it: your service is designed for a customer base that grew up with Facebook, watches Japanese seizure robot anime, and has the attention span of a gnat. I'm not that user., "Tyler Riddle"
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
On 03/18/2015 01:05 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 09:04:16PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
Folks,
The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the
impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're
trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this
appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking
not, but wanted to be sure.
It seems to me they should have contact info for all their RDS users?
Yeah, that's a pretty good point :)
That said, if we want to be helpful, wouldn't -announce be the platform of choice?
Given how many inboxes -announce reaches, I would say a definite -1 on that. The vast majority of those are not RDS users, by far.
> It seems to me they should have contact info for all their RDS users? > > > Yeah, that's a pretty good point :) They do, this is just a "blanket the affected people" thing. > That said, if we want to be helpful, wouldn't -announce be the > platform of choice? > > > Given how many inboxes -announce reaches, I would say a definite -1 on > that. The vast majority of those are not RDS users, by far. BTW, I'm assuming that such an announcement would be against Planet Postgres policy as well. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 01:58:03PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > It seems to me they should have contact info for all their RDS users? > > > > > > Yeah, that's a pretty good point :) > > They do, this is just a "blanket the affected people" thing. > > > That said, if we want to be helpful, wouldn't -announce be the > > platform of choice? > > > > > > Given how many inboxes -announce reaches, I would say a definite -1 on > > that. The vast majority of those are not RDS users, by far. > > BTW, I'm assuming that such an announcement would be against Planet > Postgres policy as well. Uh, Planet actually has a more formal policy: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Planet_PostgreSQL#Are_commercial_posts_allowed.3F Are commercial posts allowed?Informative entries that mention proprietary products are normallypermissible, as long as themain entry is relevant to the PostgreSQLcommunity. But the policy specifically prohibits publication ofadvertising inthe portion of a blog that is syndicated to the Planetfeed. It's recommended that blogs that may contain ads tag themappropriately,to provide a feed to the Planet without those entriesincluded. Also: What constitutes an advertisement?The primary test here is whether the information provided would be ofsome use even to peoplewho have no interest in the commercial productmentioned. Consider what your entry would look like if all referencestothe product were removed. If there's no useful PostgreSQL content leftafter doing that, that post is an ad. While it isn't an ad, when you remove the reference to the product, there isn't anything left. I think a post would also fail on the "relevant to the PostgreSQL community". -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + Everyone has their own god. +
> It seems to me they should have contact info for all their RDS users?
Yes, they do. Some could be outdated, but since it's used for invoices and billing, the users must either be getting mail or regularly logging in to the website, where they can also display banners.This really doesn't seem relevant for -announce, it's a support notice for someone's customers.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Folks, > > The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the > impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're > trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this > appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking > not, but wanted to be sure. I agree. We're not a conduit to their customers (or anyone elses), and this is not either primarily about community PostgreSQL or a new product announcement. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On 18 March 2015 at 20:01, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the > impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're > trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this > appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking > not, but wanted to be sure. Please can you ask them if its ok for us to send pgsql-announce messages to RDS users? That way, it would make perfect sense to send RDS messages to pgsql-announce. RDS users can then benefit from the other aspects of the PostgreSQL community. -- Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, RemoteDBA, Training & Services
On 03/19/2015 08:14 AM, Simon Riggs wrote: > On 18 March 2015 at 20:01, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > >> The Amazon RDS folks would like to post an announcement about the >> impending expiry and renewal of all RDS SSL certificates. They're >> trying to blitz reminders because users aren't responding; is this >> appropriate for www.postgresql.org announcements or not? I'm thinking >> not, but wanted to be sure. > > Please can you ask them if its ok for us to send pgsql-announce > messages to RDS users? > > That way, it would make perfect sense to send RDS messages to pgsql-announce. > > RDS users can then benefit from the other aspects of the PostgreSQL community. ;-) I like this idea, but I already responded to AWS with the restrictions on posting. However, nothing stops me from suggesting that they link the PostgresQL news feed somewhere ... -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On 3/18/15 5:03 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > What constitutes an advertisement? > > The primary test here is whether the information provided would be of > some use even to people who have no interest in the commercial product > mentioned. Consider what your entry would look like if all references to > the product were removed. If there's no useful PostgreSQL content left > after doing that, that post is an ad. > > While it isn't an ad, when you remove the reference to the product, > there isn't anything left. I think a post would also fail on the > "relevant to the PostgreSQL community". I think this just shows that that definition of advertisement is flawed.Under those rules, even a product recall would bean advertisement.
On 03/28/2015 08:17 PM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On 3/18/15 5:03 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> What constitutes an advertisement? >> >> The primary test here is whether the information provided would be of >> some use even to people who have no interest in the commercial product >> mentioned. Consider what your entry would look like if all references to >> the product were removed. If there's no useful PostgreSQL content left >> after doing that, that post is an ad. >> >> While it isn't an ad, when you remove the reference to the product, >> there isn't anything left. I think a post would also fail on the >> "relevant to the PostgreSQL community". > > I think this just shows that that definition of advertisement is flawed. > Under those rules, even a product recall would be an advertisement. ... except I'm not sure that the policy is *intended* to allow things like product recalls on Planet. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com