Thread: Link to zip/tar binaries web page
I have just learned that EnterpriseDB provides both platform-specific binaries and platform-specific zip/tar files, which are hosted here: http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/pgbindownload We link to that page from our Windows download page: http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows Advanced users can also download a zip archive of the binaries,without the installer. but not from any of the other platform web page, like Linux: http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux That seems inconsistent, and I had to help someone yesterday who was looking for the Linux tar file. Should we make a change to have these be more consistent? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:15, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > I have just learned that EnterpriseDB provides both platform-specific > binaries and platform-specific zip/tar files, which are hosted here: > > http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/pgbindownload > > We link to that page from our Windows download page: > > http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows > > Advanced users can also download a zip archive of the binaries, > without the installer. > > but not from any of the other platform web page, like Linux: > > http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux > > That seems inconsistent, and I had to help someone yesterday who was > looking for the Linux tar file. > > Should we make a change to have these be more consistent? I guess we could. Did you run across this by accident, or did somebody actually ask you? I havent' heard a single person *ever* ask for binaries-no-installer for Linux - given that you already have the choice of a proper platform package, or a gui installer, or source (which is much easier to work with on Linux than on Windows, making it a much more reasonable option) There are already painfully many options on that download page... -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:15, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > I have just learned that EnterpriseDB provides both platform-specific > > binaries and platform-specific zip/tar files, which are hosted here: > > > > ? ? ? ?http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/pgbindownload > > > > We link to that page from our Windows download page: > > > > ? ? ? ?http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows > > > > ? ? ? ?Advanced users can also download a zip archive of the binaries, > > ? ? ? ?without the installer. > > > > but not from any of the other platform web page, like Linux: > > > > ? ? ? ?http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux > > > > That seems inconsistent, and I had to help someone yesterday who was > > looking for the Linux tar file. > > > > Should we make a change to have these be more consistent? > > I guess we could. Did you run across this by accident, or did somebody > actually ask you? I havent' heard a single person *ever* ask for > binaries-no-installer for Linux - given that you already have the > choice of a proper platform package, or a gui installer, or source > (which is much easier to work with on Linux than on Windows, making it > a much more reasonable option) > > There are already painfully many options on that download page... Selena got a problem report about downloading that was forwarded to core and I discussed it with the user, so it was an actual case. I didn't even know of the zip files myself so it took a little research. The user had 200 servers to install, and I guess wanted the EDB binaries; I did not ask why. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
2011/1/21 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:15, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >> I have just learned that EnterpriseDB provides both platform-specific >> binaries and platform-specific zip/tar files, which are hosted here: >> >> http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/pgbindownload >> >> We link to that page from our Windows download page: >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows >> >> Advanced users can also download a zip archive of the binaries, >> without the installer. >> >> but not from any of the other platform web page, like Linux: >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux >> >> That seems inconsistent, and I had to help someone yesterday who was >> looking for the Linux tar file. >> >> Should we make a change to have these be more consistent? > > I guess we could. Did you run across this by accident, or did somebody > actually ask you? I havent' heard a single person *ever* ask for > binaries-no-installer for Linux - given that you already have the > choice of a proper platform package, or a gui installer, or source > (which is much easier to work with on Linux than on Windows, making it > a much more reasonable option) > > There are already painfully many options on that download page... Yes, it is several times that we face issues from end-users about our different download pages/options/links. May we consider reworking this area of the website for 9.1 ? I am in favor of a much simpler download section. For ex: * Download latest stable sources 9.0.2 : Windows - linux - Mac <-- direct link to tar (yes THE DIRECT link, not after XX clicks) * Download latest stable binaries 9.0.2 : Windows - linux - Mac <-- linux should link the user to the section with the XX different distribution and such, including EDB probably, windows to the page (in .org) explaining that windows binaries are available under the EDB banner at http:/ ...., mac .. to ... ahem * Download other stables branches : 8.4 8.3 ... -- Cédric Villemain 2ndQuadrant http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:21, Cédric Villemain <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: > 2011/1/21 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>: >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:15, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>> I have just learned that EnterpriseDB provides both platform-specific >>> binaries and platform-specific zip/tar files, which are hosted here: >>> >>> http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/pgbindownload >>> >>> We link to that page from our Windows download page: >>> >>> http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows >>> >>> Advanced users can also download a zip archive of the binaries, >>> without the installer. >>> >>> but not from any of the other platform web page, like Linux: >>> >>> http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux >>> >>> That seems inconsistent, and I had to help someone yesterday who was >>> looking for the Linux tar file. >>> >>> Should we make a change to have these be more consistent? >> >> I guess we could. Did you run across this by accident, or did somebody >> actually ask you? I havent' heard a single person *ever* ask for >> binaries-no-installer for Linux - given that you already have the >> choice of a proper platform package, or a gui installer, or source >> (which is much easier to work with on Linux than on Windows, making it >> a much more reasonable option) >> >> There are already painfully many options on that download page... > > Yes, it is several times that we face issues from end-users about our > different download pages/options/links. > May we consider reworking this area of the website for 9.1 ? Yes, certainly. Patches welcome. But there's no point in even trying unless you first review the multiple discussoins that have been around just that in the past two years or so. Can it be improved? Most definitely. But you have to remember that someone like you is *not* the target audience for that page - you probably know the URL to your nearest ftp mirror from memory anyway (if not, what kind of postgresql consultant *are* you?!). -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
2011/1/27 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:21, Cédric Villemain > <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: >> 2011/1/21 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>: >>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:15, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>>> I have just learned that EnterpriseDB provides both platform-specific >>>> binaries and platform-specific zip/tar files, which are hosted here: >>>> >>>> http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/pgbindownload >>>> >>>> We link to that page from our Windows download page: >>>> >>>> http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows >>>> >>>> Advanced users can also download a zip archive of the binaries, >>>> without the installer. >>>> >>>> but not from any of the other platform web page, like Linux: >>>> >>>> http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux >>>> >>>> That seems inconsistent, and I had to help someone yesterday who was >>>> looking for the Linux tar file. >>>> >>>> Should we make a change to have these be more consistent? >>> >>> I guess we could. Did you run across this by accident, or did somebody >>> actually ask you? I havent' heard a single person *ever* ask for >>> binaries-no-installer for Linux - given that you already have the >>> choice of a proper platform package, or a gui installer, or source >>> (which is much easier to work with on Linux than on Windows, making it >>> a much more reasonable option) >>> >>> There are already painfully many options on that download page... >> >> Yes, it is several times that we face issues from end-users about our >> different download pages/options/links. >> May we consider reworking this area of the website for 9.1 ? > > Yes, certainly. > > Patches welcome. :/ > > But there's no point in even trying unless you first review the > multiple discussoins that have been around just that in the past two > years or so. I have probably miss most of them, still I remember some too. Anyway, I didn't expect to start a new long thread on the topic and make every body loose time with that again. Sorry for the noise. > > Can it be improved? Most definitely. But you have to remember that > someone like you is *not* the target audience for that page - you > probably know the URL to your nearest ftp mirror from memory anyway > (if not, what kind of postgresql consultant *are* you?!). Fortunately, I use git archive :-D I have no idea on what is the URI of the tarballs. -- Cédric Villemain 2ndQuadrant http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support