Thread: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
damien clochard
Date:
hi guys,

Is it possible to remove Sun Microsystems from the various professional
support pages :

http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_africa
http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_asia
etc.

It seems quite irrelevant now.

The former URL http://www.sun.com/postgresql goes to

http://www.sun.com/software/index.xml

where the databases section contains only "Java DB" and
"MySQL".


Regards,

--
damien




Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
Magnus Hagander
Date:
2010/3/4 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>:
> hi guys,
>
> Is it possible to remove Sun Microsystems from the various professional
> support pages :
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_africa
> http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_asia
> etc.
>
> It seems quite irrelevant now.

Yeah, seems reasonable to me - AFAIK they don't take any new contract.
Can someone from Sun, or someone who knows for sure, confirm that?

(same goes for the sponsorship page)

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Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
damien clochard
Date:
Magnus Hagander a écrit :
> 2010/3/4 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>:
>> hi guys,
>>
>> Is it possible to remove Sun Microsystems from the various professional
>> support pages :
>>
>> http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_africa
>> http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_asia
>> etc.
>>
>> It seems quite irrelevant now.
> 
> Yeah, seems reasonable to me - AFAIK they don't take any new contract.
> Can someone from Sun, or someone who knows for sure, confirm that?
> 
> (same goes for the sponsorship page)
> 

I'm not so sure about the sponsor page.

While it's right to remove them from the professionnal support pages if
they don't do it anymore, the title of "silver sponsor" rewards
"Entities who have provided at least 1 full year of significant and
recurring contribution to PostgreSQL." which remains true.

Maybe it's interesting to keep track of this, in an historical perspective.




Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
Jaime Casanova
Date:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info> wrote:
>
> It seems quite irrelevant now.
>
> The former URL http://www.sun.com/postgresql goes to
>
> http://www.sun.com/software/index.xml
>
> where the databases section contains only "Java DB" and
> "MySQL".
>

it's quite interesting that SUN had shipped PostgreSQL with solaris 10
and had offered an 24x7 support, but now when i looked at the solaris
page i found Oracle Solaris Operating System and no mention about
postgres...

will those installations be forced to migrate to oracle or mysql?

BTW, i agree with damien that the mention in the sponsor page should
be kept until they explicitly request removal

--
Atentamente,
Jaime Casanova
Soporte y capacitación de PostgreSQL
Asesoría y desarrollo de sistemas
Guayaquil - Ecuador
Cel. +59387171157


Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
On 3/4/10 5:59 AM, damien clochard wrote:
> While it's right to remove them from the professionnal support pages if
> they don't do it anymore, the title of "silver sponsor" rewards
> "Entities who have provided at least 1 full year of significant and
> recurring contribution to PostgreSQL." which remains true.

It would be fun to put Oracle there, but that seems like inviting trouble.

--Josh Berkus


Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
Dave Page
Date:
On 3/5/10, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> On 3/4/10 5:59 AM, damien clochard wrote:
>> While it's right to remove them from the professionnal support pages if
>> they don't do it anymore, the title of "silver sponsor" rewards
>> "Entities who have provided at least 1 full year of significant and
>> recurring contribution to PostgreSQL." which remains true.
>
> It would be fun to put Oracle there, but that seems like inviting trouble.
>

Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark
policy though?

:-)

-- 
Dave Page
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Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
> Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark
> policy though?

They can only issue a takedown notice.  They can't sue us.

All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be
comfortable with it.  I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's
ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when
those contributions will stop.

I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer
brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging.

--Josh Berkus



Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark
> > policy though?
>
> They can only issue a takedown notice.  They can't sue us.
>
> All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be
> comfortable with it.  I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's
> ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when
> those contributions will stop.
>
> I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer
> brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging.

Well one isn't part of the other. You are thinking Sponsors versus
professional support page.

Joshua D. Drake


>
> --Josh Berkus
>
>


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Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
On 3/5/10 11:32 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
>>> Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark
>>> policy though?
>> They can only issue a takedown notice.  They can't sue us.
>>
>> All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be
>> comfortable with it.  I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's
>> ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when
>> those contributions will stop.
>>
>> I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer
>> brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging.
> 
> Well one isn't part of the other. You are thinking Sponsors versus
> professional support page.

I thought we'd settled the professional support issue.  Snoracle is no
longer selling PostgreSQL support, therefore it comes off the PS page.

--Josh Berkus


Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages?

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark
> > policy though?
> 
> They can only issue a takedown notice.  They can't sue us.
> 
> All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be
> comfortable with it.  I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's
> ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when
> those contributions will stop.
> 
> I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer
> brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging.

Well one isn't part of the other. You are thinking Sponsors versus
professional support page.

Joshua D. Drake


> 
> --Josh Berkus
> 
> 


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Re: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?

From
Ron Mayer
Date:
Josh Berkus wrote:
> 
> It would be fun to put Oracle there, but that seems like inviting trouble.

Would it be worthwhile to ask them?

I seem to recall at one point IBM  bragging about supporting Oracle on Solaris
with Windows clients - despite IBM owning competing software across the whole
stack.

I imagine many (perhaps nearly all) large companies have multiple database products
somewhere.

I could imagine Oracle wanting to continue to support them, even if
their ulterior motive is to try to switch the user to Sleepycat / BDB or
InnoDB / InnoBase or whatever other data storage products the might own.