Thread: captcha
Hello, Could someone please work on captcha thing for our comment submission page? We have lots of list members in here, but I can't see much progress on this. If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers instead of captcha and ask for their names. Thanks, -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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> If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers instead
> of captcha and ask for their names.
Funny, but no you won't :)
Joshua D. Drake
>
> Thanks,
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-----Original Message----- From: "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com> To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Sent: 09/08/06 13:50 Subject: [pgsql-www] captcha Hello, > Could someone please work on captcha thing for our comment submission > page? We have lots of list members in here, but I can't see much > progress on this. No, because the project was shelved because the was no practical way to implement captcha in an accessible way (now a legalrequirement in some countries) > If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers instead > of captcha and ask for their names. That'll cut submissions down to about zero... /D
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 09:25, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers instead
> > of captcha and ask for their names.
>
> Funny, but no you won't :)
>
If you put up a picture of the dancing elephant in place of Bruce's photo, I'm
on board.
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Robert Treat wrote: > On Wednesday 09 August 2006 09:25, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers instead > > > of captcha and ask for their names. > > > > Funny, but no you won't :) > > > > If you put up a picture of the dancing elephant in place of Bruce's photo, I'm > on board. Make sure the elephant has a beard. ;-) -- Bruce Momjian bruce@momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Hello, On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 14:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers > instead > > of captcha and ask for their names. > > That'll cut submissions down to about zero... That sounds great, as compared to the spam that happened in last few days :-) Regards, -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Hello, On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 06:25 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers > instead > > of captcha and ask for their names. > > Funny, but no you won't :) Why not? :-) That will help the visibility of each developer. Hmm :) -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 06:25 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers
>> instead
>>> of captcha and ask for their names.
>> Funny, but no you won't :)
>
> Why not? :-) That will help the visibility of each developer. Hmm :)
Because... many developers just aren't that pretty ;)
Joshua D. Drake
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Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 06:25 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>> If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers > >> instead > >>> of captcha and ask for their names. > >> Funny, but no you won't :) > > > > Why not? :-) That will help the visibility of each developer. Hmm :) > > > Because... many developers just aren't that pretty ;) How are other web sites using captchas legally? -- Bruce Momjian bruce@momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
>>>> instead
>>>>> of captcha and ask for their names.
>>>> Funny, but no you won't :)
>>> Why not? :-) That will help the visibility of each developer. Hmm :)
>>
>> Because... many developers just aren't that pretty ;)
>
> How are other web sites using captchas legally?
>
My guess is that they are ignoring the legality of it because they are
likely hosted in the US (where I believe it is legal) and telling
everyone else to kiss off...
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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-----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> To: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> Cc: "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 09/08/06 16:06 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha > How are other web sites using captchas legally? Most aren't in .uk and would be liable to prosecution under the Disability Discrimination Act if they were actually UK based. Paypal are the one site I recall that is good - they offer an audio version of the captcha string for those that need it. /D
Dave Page wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us>
> To: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
> Cc: "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org>
> Sent: 09/08/06 16:06
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha
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>> How are other web sites using captchas legally?
>
> Most aren't in .uk and would be liable to prosecution under the Disability Discrimination Act if they were actually
UKbased.
Well... and this is nothing against disabled people, but really.. why do
we care about UK laws? Technically we are based in panama at least that
is where we are sourced yes?
Joshua D. Drake
>
> Paypal are the one site I recall that is good - they offer an audio version of the captcha string for those that
needit.
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> /D
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Dave Page wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> > To: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> Cc: "Devrim GUNDUZ" > <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" > <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 09/08/06 16:06 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] > captcha > > > How are other web sites using captchas legally? > > Most aren't in .uk and would be liable to prosecution under the > Disability Discrimination Act if they were actually UK based. > > Paypal are the one site I recall that is good - they offer an audio > version of the captcha string for those that need it. Audio is a cool idea, I have to say. They add background noise, I am sure. ;-) -- Bruce Momjian bruce@momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
-----Original Message----- From: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> To: "Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk> Cc: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us>; "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 09/08/06 17:08 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha > Well... and this is nothing against disabled people, but really.. why do > we care about UK laws? > Technically we are based in panama at least that > is where we are sourced yes? The wwwmaster backup box is in .uk, and yes, it would be subject to UK law (which iirc came from an EU directive so similarlaws most likely are/will be enacted elsewhere in Europe). /D
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> The wwwmaster backup box is in .uk, and yes, it
>would be subject to UK law (which iirc came from an EU directive so
similar laws most likely are/will be enacted elsewhere in Europe).
>
O.k. now that makes sense. Does it makes sense to move wwwmaster to a
more *liberal* country ;) (/me says that knowing that it is an odd use
of the word liberal).
I am not arguing one way or the other, just trying to help. I personally
don't care about the comments and think they should be pushed to a wiki
style system anyway.
Joshua D. Drake
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-----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> To: "Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk> Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>; "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 09/08/06 17:18 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha > Audio is a cool idea, I have to say. > They add background noise, I am sure. ;-) We'd include them as a link, unless you wanna get the elephant to sing them... :-) /D
Dave Page wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us>
> To: "Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
> Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>; "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org"
<pgsql-www@postgresql.org>
> Sent: 09/08/06 17:18
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha
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> > Audio is a cool idea, I have to say. > They add background noise, I am
> sure. ;-)
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> We'd include them as a link, unless you wanna get the elephant to sing them...
I think that elephant might just be singing:
http://blog.gunduz.org/uploads/dancing-elephant.jpg
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-----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> To: "Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk> Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>; "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 09/08/06 20:44 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha > I think that elephant might just be singing: > http://blog.gunduz.org/uploads/dancing-elephant.jpg Still not too accessible tho - definitely needs a soundtrack! /D
Hello, On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 21:21 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > I think that elephant might just be singing: > > > http://blog.gunduz.org/uploads/dancing-elephant.jpg > > Still not too accessible tho - definitely needs a soundtrack! That's easy: 1996, always on the run 10 years ago we wrote this one Like Tom and Bruce, before its time 10 years later it is holding up fine There was no real database when we wrote this We stretched the boundries, we opened the door That noone attempted before All you need a new database, what is it? You are kidding me, switch to PostgreSQL! etc :) -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Hello, On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 20:35 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > Audio is a cool idea, I have to say. > They add background noise, I > > am sure. ;-) > > We'd include them as a link, unless you wanna get the elephant to sing > them... What about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Wocl5Bm3Y :-) Regards, -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:18:26PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> > > To: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> Cc: "Devrim GUNDUZ" > > <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" > > <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 09/08/06 16:06 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] > > captcha > > > > > How are other web sites using captchas legally? > > > > Most aren't in .uk and would be liable to prosecution under the > > Disability Discrimination Act if they were actually UK based. > > > > Paypal are the one site I recall that is good - they offer an audio > > version of the captcha string for those that need it. > > Audio is a cool idea, I have to say. They add background noise, I am > sure. ;-) An even better idea are the pages that ask things like "what color is the sky" (unless spammers have gotten clever enough to figure those out, too...) -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
Hello, On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 18:04 -0500, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > An even better idea are the pages that ask things like "what color is > the sky" (unless spammers have gotten clever enough to figure those > out, too...) Another alternative: "What is the 3rd word in 2nd paragraph, page 149 of 8.1 manual?" :) -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Jim C. Nasby wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:18:26PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> Dave Page wrote:
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us>
>>> To: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> Cc: "Devrim GUNDUZ"
>>> <devrim@commandprompt.com>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org"
>>> <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 09/08/06 16:06 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www]
>>> captcha
>>>
>>>> How are other web sites using captchas legally?
>>> Most aren't in .uk and would be liable to prosecution under the
>>> Disability Discrimination Act if they were actually UK based.
>>>
>>> Paypal are the one site I recall that is good - they offer an audio
>>> version of the captcha string for those that need it.
>> Audio is a cool idea, I have to say. They add background noise, I am
>> sure. ;-)
>
> An even better idea are the pages that ask things like "what color is
> the sky" (unless spammers have gotten clever enough to figure those out,
> too...)
What time of day is it?
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I find it hard to believe it's against the law for an individual or non-commercial/non-business group to make an inaccessible website. Perhaps for businesses or government agencies, but if the UK has said that individual sites run by individuals have to be fully accessible, well, that's just a bit wonky. Not that I'm against accessibility... I just find the idea of the legality of what one does on ones own website with regard to accessibility or inaccessibility to be a bit off. If this is specifically about the DDA, then according to http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/ public_legalcase.hcsp#P39_3186 I don't believe we have a problem. "Websites may be covered under the employment provisions, as they may be a means of advertising jobs; or there may be an intranet which staff need to use. Websites will most commonly be covered when they constitute the provision of a service, or they are related to education." and the example “What services are affected by the Act? An airline company provides a flight reservation and booking service to the public on its website. This is a provision of a service and is subject to the act.” So it seems to apply to service oriented businesses or employment related websites. Even at that it seems to be big brotherish to me. What it also appears to come down to is it someone is disabled and feels discriminated against by the website, then they have the right to sue the owner of the site. Gavin On Aug 9, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> The wwwmaster backup box is in .uk, and yes, it > >would be subject to UK law (which iirc came from an EU directive > so similar laws most likely are/will be enacted elsewhere in Europe).
-----Original Message----- From: "Jim C. Nasby" <jnasby@pervasive.com> To: "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> Cc: "Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>; "Devrim GUNDUZ" <devrim@commandprompt.com>;"pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 10/08/06 00:04 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha > An even better idea are the pages that ask things like "what color is > the sky" (unless spammers have gotten clever enough to figure those out, > too...) Nice idea. /D
-----Original Message----- From: "Gavin M. Roy" <gmr@ehpg.net> To: "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 10/08/06 03:57 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] captcha > I find it hard to believe it's against the law for an individual or > non-commercial/non-business group to make an inaccessible website. > then according to constitute the provision of a service, or they are related to education." We provide an open site intended for the use of the general public, which according to our DDA advisors (and auditors) arecovered (we also host some non-business sites). And really, it's no more wonky than some .us laws, and at least it hasa good purpose. Regardless of the uk law though there is no good reason to make anything inaccessible for the sake of a little effort - we'vegotten complaints about that numerous times in the past wrt fonts & colors etc. /D
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 03:50:31PM +0300, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: > Hello, > > Could someone please work on captcha thing for our comment > submission page? We have lots of list members in here, but I can't > see much progress on this. IMHO, you shouldn't see any "progress" and shouldn't try to make any. Captcha is broken entirely at the design level <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha>, as neither prevents access by bad actors nor allows blind people--or others without graphical browsers--access at all. > If noone is willing to do, I'll put random photos of developers > instead of captcha and ask for their names. See above. Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote!