Thread: FW: Couple of minor tweaks
I've made my fair share of commits today - can someone else look at this please? Thanks, Dave. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] > Sent: 21 December 2004 23:29 > To: Dave Page > Subject: Couple of minor tweaks > > Hello, > > Might I suggest adding to the downloads page for additional sofware: > > plPerl > > Pyscopg instead of pygresql as Pyscopg is actually actively developed > and full DB 2.0 complaint > > TSearch2 > > And of course > > Mammoth Replicator ? > > Sincerely, > > Joshua D. Drake > > > -- > Command Prompt, Inc., home of PostgreSQL Replication, and plPHP. > Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. > +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com > Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL >
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 11:21, Dave Page wrote:
> I've made my fair share of commits today - can someone else look at this
> please?
>
> Thanks, Dave.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com]
> > Sent: 21 December 2004 23:29
> > To: Dave Page
> > Subject: Couple of minor tweaks
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Might I suggest adding to the downloads page for additional sofware:
> >
> > plPerl
It was decided not to include this since plperl is included with the main
distribution.
> >
> > Pyscopg instead of pygresql as Pyscopg is actually actively developed
> > and full DB 2.0 complaint
> >
Hmmm.... PyGreSQL 3.6 was just released on 12-16/2004, and is maintained in
part by D'Arcy Cain, a long time community member. Do you know who we can
go to for clarification on this?
> > TSearch2
> >
Again, TSearch2 is included in the main distribution. Also we are currently
linking to the OpenFTS project website.
> > And of course
> >
> > Mammoth Replicator ?
> >
Sorry, but consensus is to not list any commercial/closed source applications
on the postgresql download page.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Robert Treat wrote: > On Wednesday 22 December 2004 11:21, Dave Page wrote: >> I've made my fair share of commits today - can someone else look at this >> please? >> >> Thanks, Dave. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] >>> Sent: 21 December 2004 23:29 >>> To: Dave Page >>> Subject: Couple of minor tweaks >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Might I suggest adding to the downloads page for additional sofware: >>> >>> plPerl > > It was decided not to include this since plperl is included with the main > distribution. > >>> >>> Pyscopg instead of pygresql as Pyscopg is actually actively developed >>> and full DB 2.0 complaint >>> > > Hmmm.... PyGreSQL 3.6 was just released on 12-16/2004, and is maintained in > part by D'Arcy Cain, a long time community member. Do you know who we can > go to for clarification on this? is there a reason both can't be listed? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> > It was decided not to include this since plperl is included with the main > distribution. Is there a list of what comes with the main distribution? That would probably resolve the issue. > > >>>Pyscopg instead of pygresql as Pyscopg is actually actively developed >>>and full DB 2.0 complaint >>> > > > Hmmm.... PyGreSQL 3.6 was just released on 12-16/2004, and is maintained in > part by D'Arcy Cain, a long time community member. Do you know who we can > go to for clarification on this? I could be a little historical on this... maybe list both? I don't recall PyGreSQL being supported but that could have changed recently. > > >>>TSearch2 >>> > > > Again, TSearch2 is included in the main distribution. Also we are currently > linking to the OpenFTS project website. Right but OpenFTS is not TSearch2 :) but see above. > > >>>And of course >>> >>>Mammoth Replicator ? >>> > > > Sorry, but consensus is to not list any commercial/closed source applications > on the postgresql download page. O.k. fair enough :) Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of PostgreSQL Replication, and plPHP. Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL
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Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> >> It was decided not to include this since plperl is included with the >> main distribution. > > > Is there a list of what comes with the main distribution? That would > probably resolve the issue. > To follow this up... We should probably say something like: PostgreSQL is a complete database server system. With your download you will receive the core PostgreSQL system and additional modules which include: plPerl plPgsql plPython Also the core package includes user contributed packages such as: TSearch2 - Full Text indexing Tablefuncs - Function for performing tasks such as crosstab Start-Scripts - Startup script for various *nix platforms... You get the idea... We probably don't want to include ALL of contrib as there is some stuff in there that just doesn't need to be listed. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of PostgreSQL Replication, and plPHP. Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL
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"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:
>> It was decided not to include this since plperl is included with the main
>> distribution.
> Is there a list of what comes with the main distribution? That would
> probably resolve the issue.
I agree, it would be a good idea if the download page mentioned what
comes with the main distribution. Looking at the page, you might think
there was not any plPerl available :-(
If we handle it that way, then in the Application Programming Interfaces
section we should say "The core distribution includes a C library (libpq)
and an embedded C environment (ecpg)" (not sure that's the best way to
describe ecpg). The Server-side Procedural Languages list should mention
that plpgsql, pltcl, plperl, and plpython come with the core.
Also it seems like there are several more gborg/pgfoundry projects that
belong in these lists --- certainly at least libpqxx for C++.
regards, tom lane
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 14:22, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>>Pyscopg instead of pygresql as Pyscopg is actually actively developed > >>>and full DB 2.0 complaint > > > > Hmmm.... PyGreSQL 3.6 was just released on 12-16/2004, and is maintained > > in part by D'Arcy Cain, a long time community member. Do you know who > > we can go to for clarification on this? > > I could be a little historical on this... maybe list both? I don't > recall PyGreSQL being supported but that could have changed recently. > I think I looked into this briefly when I put together the initial list, and psycopg seemed to be the outdated one... check out http://www.zope.org/Members/fog/psycopg I think we should leave it as is for now and we can revist it if someone from the pyscopg group comes forward. -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 14:31, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:
> >> It was decided not to include this since plperl is included with the
> >> main distribution.
> >
> > Is there a list of what comes with the main distribution? That would
> > probably resolve the issue.
>
> I agree, it would be a good idea if the download page mentioned what
> comes with the main distribution. Looking at the page, you might think
> there was not any plPerl available :-(
>
> If we handle it that way, then in the Application Programming Interfaces
> section we should say "The core distribution includes a C library (libpq)
> and an embedded C environment (ecpg)" (not sure that's the best way to
> describe ecpg). The Server-side Procedural Languages list should mention
> that plpgsql, pltcl, plperl, and plpython come with the core.
>
"The core of the PostgreSQL Object-Relational Database Management System,
available in several source and binary formats. The full package will
include the core server with full documentation (html,man), several command
line tools (psql, pg_dump, pg_restore, etc...), a C library (libpq), and
embeded C processor (ecpg), several server-side procedural languages
(plpgsql,pltcl,plperl,etc...), and several popular add-on packages as well
(metaphone, tsearch2, pgcrypto, etc...). You can download the software from
one of our many mirror sites."
acceptable?
> Also it seems like there are several more gborg/pgfoundry projects that
> belong in these lists --- certainly at least libpqxx for C++.
>
For the record we do have a link to both pgfoundry and gborg at the bottom of
the page, however I'm happy to add any projects people feel strongly about.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Robert Treat wrote: > On Wednesday 22 December 2004 14:22, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>>>>Pyscopg instead of pygresql as Pyscopg is actually actively developed >>>>>and full DB 2.0 complaint >>> >>>Hmmm.... PyGreSQL 3.6 was just released on 12-16/2004, and is maintained >>>in part by D'Arcy Cain, a long time community member. Do you know who >>>we can go to for clarification on this? >> >>I could be a little historical on this... maybe list both? I don't >>recall PyGreSQL being supported but that could have changed recently. >> > > > I think I looked into this briefly when I put together the initial list, and > psycopg seemed to be the outdated one... check out > http://www.zope.org/Members/fog/psycopg Just FYI that page is out of date it also notes that it is not the official page. The official page is here: http://initd.org/software/initd/psycopg And there was a release on the 19th of November. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > I think we should leave it as is for now and we can revist it if someone from > the pyscopg group comes forward. > -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of PostgreSQL Replication, and plPHP. Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL
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Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
> I think we should leave it as is for now and we can revist it if someone from
> the pyscopg group comes forward.
I think this is a good idea, not because I have any doubt about whether
psycopg is being updated, but because there don't seem to be any psycopg
people hanging around the mailing lists (I've surely not seen much
discussion of it). I think the community's download page should only
recommend software that the community develops or at least has some
experience with, so that we can answer questions about it. I'm not sure
if pyscopg fits in that category...
regards, tom lane
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> >> It was decided not to include this since plperl is included with the main >> distribution. > > Is there a list of what comes with the main distribution? That would probably > resolve the issue. Having such a list on the download page would probably be a good place ... at the top, link to the current stable distribution, and list the 'sub-components' that are includd with it ... > I could be a little historical on this... maybe list both? I don't > recall PyGreSQL being supported but that could have changed recently. Only one that I ever knew about *was* PyGreSQL :( ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > TSearch2 - Full Text indexing > Tablefuncs - Function for performing tasks such as crosstab > Start-Scripts - Startup script for various *nix platforms... > > You get the idea... We probably don't want to include ALL of contrib > as there is some stuff in there that just doesn't need to be listed. How many of the contrib functions are developed outside of core, and just have patches submit'd periodically? I thought tsearch2 was one such, which means it *should* be listed as a seperate package ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664