Thread: Small suggestion
Kind people, I'd like to propose putting a link to irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql somewhere near the top of the front page of www.postgresql.org? I think it would help newcomers quite a bit. What do you all think? Cheers, D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 mobile: +1 415 235 3778 Remember to vote!
On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 22:05, David Fetter wrote:
> Kind people,
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> I'd like to propose putting a link to
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> irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql
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> somewhere near the top of the front page of www.postgresql.org? I
> think it would help newcomers quite a bit.
>
> What do you all think?
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Honestly? I think people using irc are a dieing breed :-)
People are probably better off going through the lists anyway, since it
exposes them to a wider list of helpers and their problems get archived
for others who follow. I do think we should have a mention in the FAQ
(which I think we do) and possible a link in the "lists" section since
it seems to most resemble a "get help" section...
Robert Treat
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On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 09:22:38AM -0400, Robert Treat wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 22:05, David Fetter wrote: > > Kind people, > > > > I'd like to propose putting a link to > > > > irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql > > > > somewhere near the top of the front page of www.postgresql.org? I > > think it would help newcomers quite a bit. > > > > What do you all think? > > Honestly? I think people using irc are a dieing breed :-) Everybody who is not already dead is dying. Was there some point you had to make here? > People are probably better off going through the lists anyway, since > it exposes them to a wider list of helpers and their problems get > archived for others who follow. I do think we should have a mention > in the FAQ (which I think we do) and possible a link in the "lists" > section since it seems to most resemble a "get help" section... Something like "For quick, free help on-line, try irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql" doesn't interfere with any of this, and it would help some people. Redundant, heterogeneous systems are good. Cheers, D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 mobile: +1 415 235 3778 Remember to vote!
>>Honestly? I think people using irc are a dieing breed :-) >> >> A conservative guess based upon the top 10 networks alone is that there are approximately half a million people who use IRC daily. Gavin
David Fetter wrote: > Kind people, > > I'd like to propose putting a link to > > irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql > > somewhere near the top of the front page of www.postgresql.org? I > think it would help newcomers quite a bit. > > What do you all think? Uh, it is already mentioned in the FAQ. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 10:38:18AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > David Fetter wrote: > > Kind people, > > > > I'd like to propose putting a link to > > > > irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql > > > > somewhere near the top of the front page of www.postgresql.org? I > > think it would help newcomers quite a bit. > > > > What do you all think? > > Uh, it is already mentioned in the FAQ. Under the current design, the FAQ is not easy for newbies to find, where the top of www.postgresql.org is. I really didn't expect this to be controversial. Would somebody just put the blasted thing up there, or give me the needed permissions to do same? Cheers, David. -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 mobile: +1 415 235 3778 Remember to vote!
>> Uh, it is already mentioned in the FAQ. > > Under the current design, the FAQ is not easy for newbies to find, > where the top of www.postgresql.org is. > I agree the FAQ is not the easiest link to find even though it is at the end of the first paragraph on the docs page. The link does not stand out, and while someone familiar with the site may be able to find it easily a deer-in-the-headlights newbie may have more of a challenge. Additionally a newbie may try the User section first before going to Docs. The link to IRC is buried though, here is the path I took to find it knowing only the information I read in this thread. Home->Docs->FAQS(end of first paragraph on docs page)->RegionalFAQ->(browser search for IRC). Perhaps replace the section "Tech Support requests to this address will be ignored!" on the right nav with "Click here for tech support!" which links to IRC info? Regards, Fred
Would it be an idea to put the FAQ itself a bit more prominently on the front page? On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Fred Moyer wrote: >>> Uh, it is already mentioned in the FAQ. >> >> Under the current design, the FAQ is not easy for newbies to find, >> where the top of www.postgresql.org is. >> > I agree the FAQ is not the easiest link to find even though it is at the > end of the first paragraph on the docs page. The link does not stand out, > and while someone familiar with the site may be able to find it easily a > deer-in-the-headlights newbie may have more of a challenge. Additionally > a newbie may try the User section first before going to Docs. > > The link to IRC is buried though, here is the path I took to find it > knowing only the information I read in this thread. > > Home->Docs->FAQS(end of first paragraph on docs > page)->RegionalFAQ->(browser search for IRC). > > Perhaps replace the section > "Tech Support requests to this address will be ignored!" on the right nav > with "Click here for tech support!" which links to IRC info? > > Regards, > > Fred > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 10:01:21AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Would it be an idea to put the FAQ itself a bit more prominently on the > front page? That would be a good thing, too. Putting the IRC link up top doesn't exclude this :) Cheers, D > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Fred Moyer wrote: > > >>>Uh, it is already mentioned in the FAQ. > >> > >>Under the current design, the FAQ is not easy for newbies to find, > >>where the top of www.postgresql.org is. > >> > >I agree the FAQ is not the easiest link to find even though it is at the > >end of the first paragraph on the docs page. The link does not stand out, > >and while someone familiar with the site may be able to find it easily a > >deer-in-the-headlights newbie may have more of a challenge. Additionally > >a newbie may try the User section first before going to Docs. > > > >The link to IRC is buried though, here is the path I took to find it > >knowing only the information I read in this thread. > > > >Home->Docs->FAQS(end of first paragraph on docs > >page)->RegionalFAQ->(browser search for IRC). > > > >Perhaps replace the section > >"Tech Support requests to this address will be ignored!" on the right nav > >with "Click here for tech support!" which links to IRC info? > > > >Regards, > > > >Fred > > > >---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > >TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > > > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 mobile: +1 415 235 3778 Remember to vote!
> -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of David Fetter > Sent: 07 July 2004 15:53 > To: Marc G. Fournier > Cc: Fred Moyer; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL WWW > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Small suggestion > > On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 10:01:21AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > Would it be an idea to put the FAQ itself a bit more prominently on > > the front page? > > That would be a good thing, too. Putting the IRC link up top > doesn't exclude this :) I've added the FAQ and IRC channel to the left bar. Preview it at http://www.postgresql.org/index.php or wait for the next site build :-) /D
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 04:17:51PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org > > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of David Fetter > > Sent: 07 July 2004 15:53 > > To: Marc G. Fournier > > Cc: Fred Moyer; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL WWW > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Small suggestion > > > > On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 10:01:21AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > > Would it be an idea to put the FAQ itself a bit more prominently on > > > the front page? > > > > That would be a good thing, too. Putting the IRC link up top > > doesn't exclude this :) > > I've added the FAQ and IRC channel to the left bar. Preview it at > http://www.postgresql.org/index.php or wait for the next site build :-) Very nice. :) Please make the "Quick help" thing a link to irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql Cheers, 'nother D. > /D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 mobile: +1 415 235 3778 Remember to vote!
> -----Original Message----- > From: David Fetter [mailto:david@fetter.org] > Sent: 07 July 2004 16:23 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Fred Moyer; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL WWW > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Small suggestion > > Very nice. :) > > Please make the "Quick help" thing a link to > irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql > Done. /D
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 04:56:37PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Fetter [mailto:david@fetter.org] > > Sent: 07 July 2004 16:23 > > To: Dave Page > > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Fred Moyer; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL WWW > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Small suggestion > > > > Very nice. :) > > > > Please make the "Quick help" thing a link to > > irc://irc.freenode.net/postgresql > > > > Done. Thanks! :) Cheers, D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 mobile: +1 415 235 3778 Remember to vote!