Thread: Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
Robert Treat
Date:
On Thursday 06 November 2003 17:18, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Robert Treat writes:
> > <rant>
> > we don't need links, we need patches
> > </rant>
>
> Let me ask you the questions that people always ask of us:
>
> How does one get involved?
post proposals to pgsql-www and start coding

> Where is the code?
http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pgweb/projdisplay.php

> What is the plan?
if you have an itch, scratch it...

> Where is the roadmap?
right now andreas' is working on multi-lingual capabilities. i have half an
implementation of variable site width i'd love to finish off, and we have
some pages for things like the release notes that we need to add to the
dynamic site building scripts.

on the advocacy site, there is a file called TODO in the main directory that
has some issues in it that need to be addressed in the current system.
potentially we will also need to add translated press kits and release notes
to the system.

on techdocs there is a todo.php file which is probably completely bogus.
theres some indecision on the direction of this site. I would like to convert
the whole thing to CVS, including the wiki pages that comprised the guides
section.  others are testing using bricolage to make a new site at which time
some of the data would be transitioned over.  i happen to think there are
several files on this site that should be moved to the main www site, i'd be
happy to expand on that if people start doing work on it.  really the most
important thing here is that we get some movement on the site in order to
ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new web VM.

> Where can issues be discussed?
pgsql-www@postgresql.org

> Who is working on this?
myself, dave page, devrim gunduz, andreas grabmller are the primary folks
doing the work, though there are certainly others involved. [that guy marc
seems to be involved somewhat ;-) ]

> How can we help?
never send an email saying "you guys should post such and such news item on
the web site". instead submit the news item yourself and we can have it
approved and on the site in much less time.   :-)

otherwise it works much like any other open source project, if there is
something specific you want to work on, post a proposal or ask if anyone else
is working on it on the -www list.

let me also say on a personal note that if none of this looks interesting but
there is something else that i am working on that you'd like to get involved
in, drop me a line.  that last thing i want to do is to continue to
consolidate work around me, I'd much rather empower others to become regular
contributors.

Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL

Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
Robert,

> on techdocs there is a todo.php file which is probably completely bogus.
> theres some indecision on the direction of this site. I would like to
> convert the whole thing to CVS, including the wiki pages that comprised the
> guides section.  others are testing using bricolage to make a new site at
> which time some of the data would be transitioned over.

Yeah, that's me & Elein & David F.   We feel pretty strongly that PostgreSQL
needs a place where users can contribute to documentation and help other
users without learning HTML, SGML, or CVS.   Otherwise, we're throwing away a
lot of potential contributions and ignoring a lot of the community that wants
to help but find the barrier to entry too high.

I also see Techdocs as a "test site" for maybe moving more parts of
postgresql.org to a sophisticated CMS; while CVS is nice for version control,
it does nothing to help control style consistency, dynamic linking, or
multi-lingualism, which must all still be done 100% manually.

However, we've been real sluggards about getting this up & running.   So if
you get the other stuff re-built and we're still lagging, then you'll have
come up with a very persuasive argument to do things your way.

>  i happen to think
> there are several files on this site that should be moved to the main www
> site, i'd be happy to expand on that if people start doing work on it.

Probably, yes.

> really the most important thing here is that we get some movement on the
> site in order to ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new
> web VM.

On techdocs?   What part of that needs to be migrated?

--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
Robert Treat
Date:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:51, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > really the most important thing here is that we get some movement on the
> > site in order to ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new
> > web VM.
>
> On techdocs?   What part of that needs to be migrated?
>

Last I check it was the whole thing... techdocs runs on its own VM, the
other sites all run on a different VM. We need to kill the old VM, but
until we move techdocs to it's new home, we can't

Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL


Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:51, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > really the most important thing here is that we get some movement on the
> > > site in order to ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new
> > > web VM.
> >
> > On techdocs?   What part of that needs to be migrated?
> >
>
> Last I check it was the whole thing... techdocs runs on its own VM, the
> other sites all run on a different VM. We need to kill the old VM, but
> until we move techdocs to it's new home, we can't

And there is no pressure/hurry for this to be done ... its not a 'simple
move', but a redesign based on new technology ... what is there now,
works, so no pressure

Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
Justin Clift
Date:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Robert Treat wrote:
<snip>
>>>On techdocs?   What part of that needs to be migrated?
>>>
>>
>>Last I check it was the whole thing... techdocs runs on its own VM, the
>>other sites all run on a different VM. We need to kill the old VM, but
>>until we move techdocs to it's new home, we can't
>
> And there is no pressure/hurry for this to be done ... its not a 'simple
> move', but a redesign based on new technology ... what is there now,
> works, so no pressure

 From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
virtual machine too.  That may or may not be the case these days, I just
don't remember.

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


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Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
Justin,

>  From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
> virtual machine too.  That may or may not be the case these days, I just
> don't remember.

Really?   I thought that they were running from one of Sun's machines.   Will
check with Cristian.

If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on them,
dammit.   Those get 21,000 views a week.

--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Justin,
>
> >  From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
> > virtual machine too.  That may or may not be the case these days, I just
> > don't remember.
>
> Really?   I thought that they were running from one of Sun's machines.   Will
> check with Cristian.
>
> If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on them,
> dammit.   Those get 21,000 views a week.

start of current access_log: 217.1.97.253 - - [08/Nov/2003:08:00:28 -0500]
  end of current access_log: 141.211.97.33 - - [10/Nov/2003:13:28:39 -0500]

jobs# grep http://oosurvey.gratismania.ro/user/index.php access_log | egrep -v "images" | wc -l
    2966

looks like its still well used ...


Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
In fact: http://oosurvey.gratismania.ro/stats

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> > Justin,
> >
> > >  From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
> > > virtual machine too.  That may or may not be the case these days, I just
> > > don't remember.
> >
> > Really?   I thought that they were running from one of Sun's machines.   Will
> > check with Cristian.
> >
> > If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on them,
> > dammit.   Those get 21,000 views a week.
>
> start of current access_log: 217.1.97.253 - - [08/Nov/2003:08:00:28 -0500]
>   end of current access_log: 141.211.97.33 - - [10/Nov/2003:13:28:39 -0500]
>
> jobs# grep http://oosurvey.gratismania.ro/user/index.php access_log | egrep -v "images" | wc -l
>     2966
>
> looks like its still well used ...
>
>

Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
Guys,

> > > If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on
> > > them, dammit.   Those get 21,000 views a week.

Taken care of.  We should get a button up soon.

--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco