Thread: Performs WAY better with enable_seqscan = off
Hi,
____________________________________________________________________
Brendan Duddridge | CTO | 403-277-5591 x24 | brendan@clickspace.com
ClickSpace Interactive Inc.
Suite L100, 239 - 10th Ave. SE
Calgary, AB T2G 0V9
http://www.clickspace.com
I have a query that performs WAY better when I have enable_seqscan = off:
explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists ( select 'x' from product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where (pav.product_id || '.' || pav.attribute_id) = (cp.product_id || '.' || ac.attribute_id) and pav.status_code is null and (cp.category_id || '.' || cp.is_visible) = '1001402.true') order by (ac.sort_order is null), ac.sort_order, la.name asc;
QUERY PLAN
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Sort (cost=47.97..47.98 rows=7 width=34) (actual time=33368.721..33368.721 rows=2 loops=1)
Sort Key: (ac.sort_order IS NULL), ac.sort_order, la.name
-> Nested Loop (cost=2.00..47.87 rows=7 width=34) (actual time=13563.049..33368.679 rows=2 loops=1)
-> Index Scan using attribute_category__category_id_fk_idx on attribute_category ac (cost=0.00..26.73 rows=7 width=8) (actual time=13562.918..33368.370 rows=2 loops=1)
Index Cond: (category_id = 1001402)
Filter: (((is_browsable)::text = 'true'::text) AND (subplan))
SubPlan
-> Nested Loop (cost=0.02..278217503.21 rows=354763400 width=0) (actual time=4766.821..4766.821 rows=0 loops=7)
-> Seq Scan on category_product cp (cost=0.00..158150.26 rows=18807 width=4) (actual time=113.595..4585.461 rows=12363 loops=7)
Filter: ((((category_id)::text || '.'::text) || (is_visible)::text) = '1001402.true'::text)
-> Index Scan using product_attribute_value__prod_id_att_id_status_is_null_ids on product_attribute_value pav (cost=0.02..14171.84 rows=18863 width=8) (actual time=0.012..0.012 rows=0 loops=86538)
Index Cond: ((((pav.product_id)::text || '.'::text) || (pav.attribute_id)::text) = ((("outer".product_id)::text || '.'::text) || ($0)::text))
-> Bitmap Heap Scan on localized_attribute la (cost=2.00..3.01 rows=1 width=30) (actual time=0.129..0.129 rows=1 loops=2)
Recheck Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id)
Filter: (locale_id = 1000001)
-> Bitmap Index Scan on localized_attribute__attribute_id_fk_idx (cost=0.00..2.00 rows=1 width=0) (actual time=0.091..0.091 rows=1 loops=2)
Index Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id)
Total runtime: 33369.105 ms
Now when I disable sequential scans:
set enable_seqscan = off;
explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists ( select 'x' from product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where (pav.product_id || '.' || pav.attribute_id) = (cp.product_id || '.' || ac.attribute_id) and pav.status_code is null and (cp.category_id || '.' || cp.is_visible) = '1001402.true') order by (ac.sort_order is null), ac.sort_order, la.name asc;
QUERY PLAN
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sort (cost=48.09..48.11 rows=7 width=34) (actual time=1675.944..1675.945 rows=2 loops=1)
Sort Key: (ac.sort_order IS NULL), ac.sort_order, la.name
-> Nested Loop (cost=2.00..48.00 rows=7 width=34) (actual time=687.600..1675.831 rows=2 loops=1)
-> Index Scan using attribute_category__category_id_fk_idx on attribute_category ac (cost=0.00..26.86 rows=7 width=8) (actual time=687.441..1675.584 rows=2 loops=1)
Index Cond: (category_id = 1001402)
Filter: (((is_browsable)::text = 'true'::text) AND (subplan))
SubPlan
-> Nested Loop (cost=0.03..278076992.97 rows=354763400 width=0) (actual time=239.299..239.299 rows=0 loops=7)
-> Index Scan using category_product__cat_id_is_visible_idx on category_product cp (cost=0.01..17640.02 rows=18807 width=4) (actual time=0.036..30.205 rows=12363 loops=7)
Index Cond: ((((category_id)::text || '.'::text) || (is_visible)::text) = '1001402.true'::text)
-> Index Scan using product_attribute_value__prod_id_att_id_status_is_null_ids on product_attribute_value pav (cost=0.02..14171.84 rows=18863 width=8) (actual time=0.013..0.013 rows=0 loops=86538)
Index Cond: ((((pav.product_id)::text || '.'::text) || (pav.attribute_id)::text) = ((("outer".product_id)::text || '.'::text) || ($0)::text))
-> Bitmap Heap Scan on localized_attribute la (cost=2.00..3.01 rows=1 width=30) (actual time=0.093..0.094 rows=1 loops=2)
Recheck Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id)
Filter: (locale_id = 1000001)
-> Bitmap Index Scan on localized_attribute__attribute_id_fk_idx (cost=0.00..2.00 rows=1 width=0) (actual time=0.060..0.060 rows=1 loops=2)
Index Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id)
Total runtime: 1676.727 ms
the tables involved with the query have all been vacuum analyzed. I also have default_statistics_target = 100.
There's something definitely wrong with that Nested Loop with the high row count. That row count appears to be close to the product of the number of rows in category_product and product_attribute_value.
Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
____________________________________________________________________
Brendan Duddridge | CTO | 403-277-5591 x24 | brendan@clickspace.com
ClickSpace Interactive Inc.
Suite L100, 239 - 10th Ave. SE
Calgary, AB T2G 0V9
http://www.clickspace.com
On sun, 2006-05-21 at 02:21 -0600, Brendan Duddridge wrote: > Hi, > > > I have a query that performs WAY better when I have enable_seqscan = > off: > > > explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from > attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = > 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and > la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists ( select 'x' from > product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where (pav.product_id > || '.' || pav.attribute_id) = (cp.product_id || '.' || > ac.attribute_id) and pav.status_code is null and (cp.category_id || > '.' || cp.is_visible) = '1001402.true') order by (ac.sort_order is > null), ac.sort_order, la.name asc; is there some reason for the complicated form of the join conditions in the subselect? would this not be clearer: explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists (select 'x' from product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where pav.product_id = cp.product_id and pav.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and pav.status_code is null and cp.category_id= '1001402' and cp.is_visible = 'true' ) order by (ac.sort_order is null), ac.sort_order, la.name asc; possibly the planner would have a better time figuring out if any indexes are usable or estimating the subselect rowcount gnari
> is there some reason for the complicated form of the > join conditions in the subselect? Yes, the simpler form query definitely works, but it's not always as fast as the index version with the complicated join syntax. Although even that query varies significantly with different category_id values. Not sure why. Sometimes it finishes in 150 ms, other times it takes over a second. Here's the explain plan from your query: explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists (select 'x' from product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where pav.product_id = cp.product_id and pav.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and pav.status_code is null and cp.category_id= '1001402' and cp.is_visible = 'true') order by ac.sort_order, la.name asc; QUERY PLAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------- Sort (cost=6343.18..6343.20 rows=7 width=34) (actual time=2244.241..2244.242 rows=2 loops=1) Sort Key: ac.sort_order, la.name -> Nested Loop (cost=2.00..6343.08 rows=7 width=34) (actual time=1831.970..2244.209 rows=2 loops=1) -> Index Scan using attribute_category__category_id_fk_idx on attribute_category ac (cost=0.00..6321.95 rows=7 width=8) (actual time=1831.938..2244.142 rows=2 loops=1) Index Cond: (category_id = 1001402) Filter: (((is_browsable)::text = 'true'::text) AND (subplan)) SubPlan -> Nested Loop (cost=2.00..10458.04 rows=30 width=0) (actual time=320.572..320.572 rows=0 loops=7) -> Index Scan using product_attribute_value__attribute_id_fk_idx on product_attribute_value pav (cost=0.00..2661.39 rows=2572 width=4) (actual time=0.020..33.589 rows=18468 loops=7) Index Cond: (attribute_id = $0) Filter: (status_code IS NULL) -> Bitmap Heap Scan on category_product cp (cost=2.00..3.02 rows=1 width=4) (actual time=0.011..0.011 rows=0 loops=129274) Recheck Cond: ("outer".product_id = cp.product_id) Filter: ((category_id = 1001402) AND ((is_visible)::text = 'true'::text)) -> Bitmap Index Scan on x_category_product__product_id_fk_idx (cost=0.00..2.00 rows=1 width=0) (actual time=0.008..0.008 rows=1 loops=129274) Index Cond: ("outer".product_id = cp.product_id) -> Bitmap Heap Scan on localized_attribute la (cost=2.00..3.01 rows=1 width=30) (actual time=0.019..0.019 rows=1 loops=2) Recheck Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id) Filter: (locale_id = 1000001) -> Bitmap Index Scan on localized_attribute__attribute_id_fk_idx (cost=0.00..2.00 rows=1 width=0) (actual time=0.015..0.015 rows=1 loops=2) Index Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id) Total runtime: 2244.542 ms Here's the schema for the two tables involved with the sub-select: \d category_product; Table "public.category_product" Column | Type | Modifiers ---------------------+------------------------+----------- category_id | integer | not null product_id | integer | not null en_name_sort_order | integer | fr_name_sort_order | integer | merchant_sort_order | integer | price_sort_order | integer | merchant_count | integer | is_active | character varying(5) | product_is_active | character varying(5) | product_status_code | character varying(32) | product_name_en | character varying(512) | product_name_fr | character varying(512) | product_click_count | integer | is_visible | character varying(5) | is_pending_visible | character varying(5) | min_price_cad | numeric(12,4) | max_price_cad | numeric(12,4) | Indexes: "x_category_product_pk" PRIMARY KEY, btree (category_id, product_id) "category_product__cat_id_is_visible_idx" btree (((category_id::text || '.'::text) || is_visible::text)) "category_product__cat_id_prod_is_act_status_idx" btree (category_id, product_is_active, product_status_code) "category_product__category_id_is_active_and_status_idx" btree (category_id, product_is_active, product_status_code) "category_product__is_active_idx" btree (is_active) "category_product__lower_product_name_en_idx" btree (lower (product_name_en::text)) "category_product__lower_product_name_fr_idx" btree (lower (product_name_fr::text)) "category_product__merchant_sort_order_idx" btree (merchant_sort_order) "category_product__min_price_cad_idx" btree (min_price_cad) "category_product__product_id_category_id_status_idx" btree (product_id, category_id, product_is_active, product_status_code) "x_category_product__category_id_fk_idx" btree (category_id) CLUSTER "x_category_product__product_id_fk_idx" btree (product_id) Foreign-key constraints: "x_category_product_category_fk" FOREIGN KEY (category_id) REFERENCES category(category_id) DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED "x_category_product_product_fk" FOREIGN KEY (product_id) REFERENCES product(product_id) DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED and \d product_attribute_value Table "public.product_attribute_value" Column | Type | Modifiers ----------------------------+-----------------------+----------- attribute_id | integer | not null attribute_unit_id | integer | attribute_value_id | integer | boolean_value | character varying(5) | decimal_value | numeric(30,10) | product_attribute_value_id | integer | not null product_id | integer | not null product_reference_id | integer | status_code | character varying(32) | Indexes: "product_attribute_value_pk" PRIMARY KEY, btree (product_attribute_value_id) "product_attribute_value__attribute_id_fk_idx" btree (attribute_id) "product_attribute_value__attribute_unit_id_fk_idx" btree (attribute_unit_id) "product_attribute_value__attribute_value_id_fk_idx" btree (attribute_value_id) "product_attribute_value__normalized_value_idx" btree (normalized_value(decimal_value, attribute_unit_id)) "product_attribute_value__prod_id_att_id_status_is_null_ids" btree (((product_id::text || '.'::text) || attribute_id::text)) WHERE status_code IS NULL "product_attribute_value__prod_id_att_val_id_status_is_null_idx" btree (((product_id::text || '.'::text) || attribute_value_id::text)) WHERE status_code IS NULL "product_attribute_value__product_id_fk_idx" btree (product_id) CLUSTER "product_attribute_value__product_reference_id_fk_idx" btree (product_reference_id) Foreign-key constraints: "product_attribute_value_attribute_fk" FOREIGN KEY (attribute_id) REFERENCES attribute(attribute_id) DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED "product_attribute_value_attributeunit_fk" FOREIGN KEY (attribute_unit_id) REFERENCES attribute_unit(attribute_unit_id) DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED "product_attribute_value_attributevalue_fk" FOREIGN KEY (attribute_value_id) REFERENCES attribute_value(attribute_value_id) DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED "product_attribute_value_product_fk" FOREIGN KEY (product_id) REFERENCES product(product_id) DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED "product_attribute_value_productreference_fk" FOREIGN KEY (product_reference_id) REFERENCES product(product_id) DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED When the query planner uses the indexes with the concatenated values and the where clause, the query can be sub-second response times (but not always depending on the category_id value). By just doing a regular join as you suggested, it's always slower. The trick is getting Postgres to use the proper index all the time. And so far the only way I can do that is by turning off sequential scans, but that's something I didn't want to do because I don't know how it would affect the performance of the rest of my application. Just a note, I have random_page_cost set to 1 to try and get it to favour index scans. The database machine has 8GB of RAM and I have effective_cache_size set to 2/3 of that. Thanks, ____________________________________________________________________ Brendan Duddridge | CTO | 403-277-5591 x24 | brendan@clickspace.com ClickSpace Interactive Inc. Suite L100, 239 - 10th Ave. SE Calgary, AB T2G 0V9 http://www.clickspace.com On May 21, 2006, at 4:50 AM, Ragnar wrote: > On sun, 2006-05-21 at 02:21 -0600, Brendan Duddridge wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> I have a query that performs WAY better when I have enable_seqscan = >> off: >> >> >> explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from >> attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = >> 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and >> la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists ( select 'x' from >> product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where >> (pav.product_id >> || '.' || pav.attribute_id) = (cp.product_id || '.' || >> ac.attribute_id) and pav.status_code is null and (cp.category_id || >> '.' || cp.is_visible) = '1001402.true') order by (ac.sort_order is >> null), ac.sort_order, la.name asc; > > is there some reason for the complicated form of the > join conditions in the subselect? > > would this not be clearer: > > explain analyze > select ac.attribute_id, > la.name, > ac.sort_order > from attribute_category ac, > localized_attribute la > where ac.category_id = 1001402 > and la.locale_id = 1000001 > and ac.is_browsable = 'true' > and la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id > and exists > (select 'x' from product_attribute_value pav, > category_product cp > where pav.product_id = cp.product_id > and pav.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id > and pav.status_code is null > and cp.category_id= '1001402' > and cp.is_visible = 'true' > ) > order by (ac.sort_order is null), > ac.sort_order, > la.name asc; > > > possibly the planner would have a better time > figuring out if any indexes are usable or estimating > the subselect rowcount > > gnari > > > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings >
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 02:01:14PM -0600, Brendan Duddridge wrote: > When the query planner uses the indexes with the concatenated values > and the where clause, the query can be sub-second response times (but > not always depending on the category_id value). By just doing a > regular join as you suggested, it's always slower. The trick is > getting Postgres to use the proper index all the time. And so far the > only way I can do that is by turning off sequential scans, but that's > something I didn't want to do because I don't know how it would > affect the performance of the rest of my application. You can always disable them for just that query... BEGIN; SET LOCAL enable_seqscan=off; SELECT ... COMMIT; > Just a note, I have random_page_cost set to 1 to try and get it to > favour index scans. The database machine has 8GB of RAM and I have > effective_cache_size set to 2/3 of that. That's rather low for that much memory; I'd set it to 7GB. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
The problem is that the planner is guessing horribly at what the nodes will return, and I'm betting the reason for that is your join criteria. Why are you joining on fields that are concatenated together, instead of just joining on the fields themselves? That's a sure-fire way to confuse the planner, and greatly limit your options. On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 02:21:55AM -0600, Brendan Duddridge wrote: > Hi, > > I have a query that performs WAY better when I have enable_seqscan = > off: > > explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from > attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = > 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and > la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists ( select 'x' from > product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where > (pav.product_id || '.' || pav.attribute_id) = (cp.product_id || '.' > || ac.attribute_id) and pav.status_code is null and (cp.category_id > || '.' || cp.is_visible) = '1001402.true') order by (ac.sort_order is > null), ac.sort_order, la.name asc; > > QUERY PLAN > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Sort (cost=47.97..47.98 rows=7 width=34) (actual > time=33368.721..33368.721 rows=2 loops=1) > Sort Key: (ac.sort_order IS NULL), ac.sort_order, la.name > -> Nested Loop (cost=2.00..47.87 rows=7 width=34) (actual > time=13563.049..33368.679 rows=2 loops=1) > -> Index Scan using attribute_category__category_id_fk_idx > on attribute_category ac (cost=0.00..26.73 rows=7 width=8) (actual > time=13562.918..33368.370 rows=2 loops=1) > Index Cond: (category_id = 1001402) > Filter: (((is_browsable)::text = 'true'::text) AND > (subplan)) > SubPlan > -> Nested Loop (cost=0.02..278217503.21 > rows=354763400 width=0) (actual time=4766.821..4766.821 rows=0 loops=7) > -> Seq Scan on category_product cp > (cost=0.00..158150.26 rows=18807 width=4) (actual > time=113.595..4585.461 rows=12363 loops=7) > Filter: ((((category_id)::text || > '.'::text) || (is_visible)::text) = '1001402.true'::text) > -> Index Scan using > product_attribute_value__prod_id_att_id_status_is_null_ids on > product_attribute_value pav (cost=0.02..14171.84 rows=18863 width=8) > (actual time=0.012..0.012 rows=0 loops=86538) > Index Cond: ((((pav.product_id)::text > || '.'::text) || (pav.attribute_id)::text) = > ((("outer".product_id)::text || '.'::text) || ($0)::text)) > -> Bitmap Heap Scan on localized_attribute la > (cost=2.00..3.01 rows=1 width=30) (actual time=0.129..0.129 rows=1 > loops=2) > Recheck Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id) > Filter: (locale_id = 1000001) > -> Bitmap Index Scan on > localized_attribute__attribute_id_fk_idx (cost=0.00..2.00 rows=1 > width=0) (actual time=0.091..0.091 rows=1 loops=2) > Index Cond: (la.attribute_id = > "outer".attribute_id) > Total runtime: 33369.105 ms > > Now when I disable sequential scans: > > set enable_seqscan = off; > > explain analyze select ac.attribute_id, la.name, ac.sort_order from > attribute_category ac, localized_attribute la where ac.category_id = > 1001402 and la.locale_id = 1000001 and ac.is_browsable = 'true' and > la.attribute_id = ac.attribute_id and exists ( select 'x' from > product_attribute_value pav, category_product cp where > (pav.product_id || '.' || pav.attribute_id) = (cp.product_id || '.' > || ac.attribute_id) and pav.status_code is null and (cp.category_id > || '.' || cp.is_visible) = '1001402.true') order by (ac.sort_order is > null), ac.sort_order, la.name asc; > > QUERY PLAN > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Sort (cost=48.09..48.11 rows=7 width=34) (actual > time=1675.944..1675.945 rows=2 loops=1) > Sort Key: (ac.sort_order IS NULL), ac.sort_order, la.name > -> Nested Loop (cost=2.00..48.00 rows=7 width=34) (actual > time=687.600..1675.831 rows=2 loops=1) > -> Index Scan using attribute_category__category_id_fk_idx > on attribute_category ac (cost=0.00..26.86 rows=7 width=8) (actual > time=687.441..1675.584 rows=2 loops=1) > Index Cond: (category_id = 1001402) > Filter: (((is_browsable)::text = 'true'::text) AND > (subplan)) > SubPlan > -> Nested Loop (cost=0.03..278076992.97 > rows=354763400 width=0) (actual time=239.299..239.299 rows=0 loops=7) > -> Index Scan using > category_product__cat_id_is_visible_idx on category_product cp > (cost=0.01..17640.02 rows=18807 width=4) (actual time=0.036..30.205 > rows=12363 loops=7) > Index Cond: ((((category_id)::text || > '.'::text) || (is_visible)::text) = '1001402.true'::text) > -> Index Scan using > product_attribute_value__prod_id_att_id_status_is_null_ids on > product_attribute_value pav (cost=0.02..14171.84 rows=18863 width=8) > (actual time=0.013..0.013 rows=0 loops=86538) > Index Cond: ((((pav.product_id)::text > || '.'::text) || (pav.attribute_id)::text) = > ((("outer".product_id)::text || '.'::text) || ($0)::text)) > -> Bitmap Heap Scan on localized_attribute la > (cost=2.00..3.01 rows=1 width=30) (actual time=0.093..0.094 rows=1 > loops=2) > Recheck Cond: (la.attribute_id = "outer".attribute_id) > Filter: (locale_id = 1000001) > -> Bitmap Index Scan on > localized_attribute__attribute_id_fk_idx (cost=0.00..2.00 rows=1 > width=0) (actual time=0.060..0.060 rows=1 loops=2) > Index Cond: (la.attribute_id = > "outer".attribute_id) > Total runtime: 1676.727 ms > > > the tables involved with the query have all been vacuum analyzed. I > also have default_statistics_target = 100. > > There's something definitely wrong with that Nested Loop with the > high row count. That row count appears to be close to the product of > the number of rows in category_product and product_attribute_value. > > Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Brendan Duddridge | CTO | 403-277-5591 x24 | brendan@clickspace.com > > ClickSpace Interactive Inc. > Suite L100, 239 - 10th Ave. SE > Calgary, AB T2G 0V9 > > http://www.clickspace.com > -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461