Thread: New competition from Microsoft?
All, http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. -- -- Josh Berkus Red Hat OSAS (any opinions are my own)
On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote: > http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 > > Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people > using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're > picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. IANAL, but I wonder how they can have R support given that libR.so is GPL licensed, not LPGL? Have they open sourced SQL Server? ;-P -- Crunchy Data - http://crunchydata.com PostgreSQL Support for Secure Enterprises Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development
* Joe Conway (mail@joeconway.com) wrote: > On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote: > > http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 > > > > Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people > > using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're > > picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. > > IANAL, but I wonder how they can have R support given that libR.so is > GPL licensed, not LPGL? Have they open sourced SQL Server? I thought they had purchased/partnered with an R implementor that didn't use the GPL one... Thanks! Stephen
On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote: > All, > > http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 > > Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people > using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're > picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. > Yes but: 1. MSSQL is not going to magically run well on Linux. It was never designed to run on a *NIX platform and it long left the parts that would (Sybase) in the dust. 2. This is actually good for us. It validates our primary deployment platform. Why run a closed source MSSQL when you can get Open Source PostgreSQL on the same platform major platform? 3. Competition is good when we have it, our community steps up. -- Command Prompt, Inc. http://the.postgres.company/ +1-503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Everyone appreciates your honesty, until you are honest with them.
On 03/07/2016 02:26 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Joe Conway (mail@joeconway.com) wrote: >> On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote: >>> http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 >>> >>> Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people >>> using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're >>> picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. >> >> IANAL, but I wonder how they can have R support given that libR.so is >> GPL licensed, not LPGL? Have they open sourced SQL Server? > > I thought they had purchased/partnered with an R implementor that didn't > use the GPL one... Microsoft bought Revolution R, but that implementation is still GPL -- it has to be because it is derived from the open source R project which is GPL. Anyway, shouldn't we move this to advocacy? Joe -- Crunchy Data - http://crunchydata.com PostgreSQL Support for Secure Enterprises Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development
Microsoft is only trying to raise some awareness for their new ASP.NET 5 multi-platform, which works closely with MSSQL.I don't believe they are honestly interested in the *NIX user. They extend their userbase in the hope to get them ontoAzure. -----Original Message----- From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Joshua D. Drake Sent: maandag 7 maart 2016 23:32 To: Josh berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] New competition from Microsoft? On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote: > All, > > http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 > > Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people > using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're > picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. > Yes but: 1. MSSQL is not going to magically run well on Linux. It was never designed to run on a *NIX platform and it long left theparts that would (Sybase) in the dust. 2. This is actually good for us. It validates our primary deployment platform. Why run a closed source MSSQL when you canget Open Source PostgreSQL on the same platform major platform? 3. Competition is good when we have it, our community steps up. -- Command Prompt, Inc. http://the.postgres.company/ +1-503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centeredfull stack support, consulting and development. Everyone appreciates your honesty, until you are honest with them. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
On 07/03/16 23:32, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote: >> All, >> >> http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 >> >> Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people >> using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're >> picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. >> > > Yes but: > > 1. MSSQL is not going to magically run well on Linux. It was never > designed to run on a *NIX platform and it long left the parts that > would (Sybase) in the dust. I'd be surprised if it would *not* run well on Linux. Linux is an easy platform to develop, it's fast and reliable and they have plenty of time (till release). > > 2. This is actually good for us. It validates our primary deployment > platform. Why run a closed source MSSQL when you can get Open Source > PostgreSQL on the same platform major platform? SQL Server seems to have some nice features that PostgreSQL don't have. Encryption support and Hekaton (columnar-store "shared buffers") come to my mind. It's definitely not a toy database, even less on Linux. > > 3. Competition is good when we have it, our community steps up. > Absolutely, competition is very welcome! Álvaro -- Álvaro Hernández Tortosa ----------- 8Kdata
On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote: > All, > > http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248 > > Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people > using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're > picking up a lot of our better features, like R support. > Sorry, that was meant to be posted to pgsql-advocacy. -- -- Josh Berkus Red Hat OSAS (any opinions are my own)