Thread: a request for the 8.1.7 and 8.2.2 tarballs and the good reasons why
[ if this belongs on another list, such as -advocacy, i apologize. ]
dear sir or madam ---
permit me to submit a plan which, imho,
will transform the recent lemon into lemonade.
we all know the famous motto,
"there is no such thing as a total failure.
it can always serve as a negative example."
on monday, starting with the oldest first,
i secured the 7.3.18, 7.4.16 and 8.0.11 tarballs before being interrupted
[ i have since downloaded 8.0.12, 8.1.8 and 8.2.3 ].
returning late yesterday,
i found my plan to obtain the remaining two tarballs thwarted.
this didn't bother me at the time,
as they wouldn't have been useful to me in the usual sense.
however,
overnight,
i thought of a way in which they --can-- be useful, in an atypical way,
and,
in the process, make the entire organization look good - really, really good.
consider two markets: students and capitalists.
this summer,
i am launching an education entity for the purpose of
teaching ambitious, precocious, motivated teen_agers
real programming
based on real computer science [ a subset of the ieee_cs & acm curriculum ]
using a real language [ c, oop comes later ]
on a real os [ freebsd, perhaps openbsd later ]
culminating in the integration of
real open_source subassemblies [ e. g., postgresql ]
into their applications.
[ i am also going to teach them money_management, among other things. ]
according to mckusick,
in his "design and implementation of freebsd",
at the end of chapter one,
this is the age range at which typical freebsd committers started.
if i can show my students that
real, seriously major, people,
working on a real, seriously major, project,
that is used by real, seriously major, organizations,
can make a mistake,
it will do wonders for their self_confidence.
on the other hand,
there are some chamber_of_commerce people i know who like to ask,
"how good can it be if
it's a bunch of volunteers who
give it away for free?".
i think that
being able to show that errors, when discovered, are fixed promptly
is an excellent marketing point,
considering the price charged for the service.
i can write up a quick_&_dirty very_simple application to demonstrate the point.
i can quote from some of the emails i read today to
show the professionalism of the people who addressed the issue
[ if intellectual property is an issue,
i can point people to the archives instead
].
the common point is this:
we are all human, so mistakes will happen.
when they do, admit it, apologize and fix it.
in this spirit, i propose two plans:
a] i think that the 8.1.7 and 8.2.2 directories
should be restored to /pub/source.
i would add a brief, one_off README [ perhaps named README_FIRST ? ]
that describes the bug and
warns not to use the version in a non_demonstration situation.
i think this is the proper action because,
when new versions are released, typically for security reasons,
we are advised to upgrade asap,
yet the prior versions remain available, none_the_less.
in addition, the time_stamps will demonstrate the rapidity of repair.
lastly, there is the argument of historical completeness.
b] if, for some reason, this is not possible,
perhaps a reader of this post has copies on an ftp server
to which i may log_in anonymously or some such.
while beggars can't be choosers,
i seek the complete 8.1.7 and 8.2.2 bzip2 versions, if possible;
of course, gzip also works.
oh, yes; the md5's would be nice, also.
all i can promise at this time is to
name you publicly [ with your permission ] and
say very nice things about you,
as i perform the above_described demonstration.
i am subscribed to -general.
kudos to everyone involved.
you may not think you did anything special because, to you, this is normal.
however,
so many people just don't expect anything good to happen anymore
because there are far too many people in this world who just don't give a damn.
thank you.
rob spellberg
woodstock, illinois
The 8.2.2 source code is coming back in 1-2 days once everyone knows they should upgrade to 8.2.3. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- rob_spellberg wrote: > [ if this belongs on another list, such as -advocacy, i apologize. ] > > dear sir or madam --- > > permit me to submit a plan which, imho, > will transform the recent lemon into lemonade. > > we all know the famous motto, > "there is no such thing as a total failure. > it can always serve as a negative example." > > on monday, starting with the oldest first, > i secured the 7.3.18, 7.4.16 and 8.0.11 tarballs before being interrupted > [ i have since downloaded 8.0.12, 8.1.8 and 8.2.3 ]. > returning late yesterday, > i found my plan to obtain the remaining two tarballs thwarted. > this didn't bother me at the time, > as they wouldn't have been useful to me in the usual sense. > however, > overnight, > i thought of a way in which they --can-- be useful, in an atypical way, > and, > in the process, make the entire organization look good - really, really good. > > consider two markets: students and capitalists. > > this summer, > i am launching an education entity for the purpose of > teaching ambitious, precocious, motivated teen_agers > real programming > based on real computer science [ a subset of the ieee_cs & acm curriculum ] > using a real language [ c, oop comes later ] > on a real os [ freebsd, perhaps openbsd later ] > culminating in the integration of > real open_source subassemblies [ e. g., postgresql ] > into their applications. > [ i am also going to teach them money_management, among other things. ] > according to mckusick, > in his "design and implementation of freebsd", > at the end of chapter one, > this is the age range at which typical freebsd committers started. > if i can show my students that > real, seriously major, people, > working on a real, seriously major, project, > that is used by real, seriously major, organizations, > can make a mistake, > it will do wonders for their self_confidence. > > on the other hand, > there are some chamber_of_commerce people i know who like to ask, > "how good can it be if > it's a bunch of volunteers who > give it away for free?". > i think that > being able to show that errors, when discovered, are fixed promptly > is an excellent marketing point, > considering the price charged for the service. > i can write up a quick_&_dirty very_simple application to demonstrate the point. > i can quote from some of the emails i read today to > show the professionalism of the people who addressed the issue > [ if intellectual property is an issue, > i can point people to the archives instead > ]. > > the common point is this: > we are all human, so mistakes will happen. > when they do, admit it, apologize and fix it. > > in this spirit, i propose two plans: > > a] i think that the 8.1.7 and 8.2.2 directories > should be restored to /pub/source. > i would add a brief, one_off README [ perhaps named README_FIRST ? ] > that describes the bug and > warns not to use the version in a non_demonstration situation. > i think this is the proper action because, > when new versions are released, typically for security reasons, > we are advised to upgrade asap, > yet the prior versions remain available, none_the_less. > in addition, the time_stamps will demonstrate the rapidity of repair. > lastly, there is the argument of historical completeness. > > b] if, for some reason, this is not possible, > perhaps a reader of this post has copies on an ftp server > to which i may log_in anonymously or some such. > while beggars can't be choosers, > i seek the complete 8.1.7 and 8.2.2 bzip2 versions, if possible; > of course, gzip also works. > oh, yes; the md5's would be nice, also. > all i can promise at this time is to > name you publicly [ with your permission ] and > say very nice things about you, > as i perform the above_described demonstration. > i am subscribed to -general. > > kudos to everyone involved. > you may not think you did anything special because, to you, this is normal. > however, > so many people just don't expect anything good to happen anymore > because there are far too many people in this world who just don't give a damn. > > thank you. > > rob spellberg > woodstock, illinois > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org/ -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
this is good news; i thank you. any chance for 8.1.7? rob Bruce Momjian wrote: > The 8.2.2 source code is coming back in 1-2 days once everyone knows > they should upgrade to 8.2.3. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > rob_spellberg wrote: [ snip ]
rob_spellberg wrote: > this is good news; i thank you. > > any chance for 8.1.7? Same, all are coming back. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > rob > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > The 8.2.2 source code is coming back in 1-2 days once everyone knows > > they should upgrade to 8.2.3. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > rob_spellberg wrote: > > [ snip ] -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
wonderful! thank you very much. have a great day, one and all. rob Bruce Momjian wrote: > rob_spellberg wrote: > >>this is good news; i thank you. >> >>any chance for 8.1.7? > > > Same, all are coming back. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>rob >> >> >> >>Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>>The 8.2.2 source code is coming back in 1-2 days once everyone knows >>>they should upgrade to 8.2.3. >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>rob_spellberg wrote: >> >>[ snip ] > >