Thread: Upgrade 7.4 to 8.1 or 8.2?
We're looking to upgrade from 7.4 - should we go to 8.1.5 or 8.2? We have two databases; 7.4.6 and 7.4.11 in a master slave config using Slony. Both databases use the C locale with UTF-8 encoding on unix. We've dumped and loaded the data into an 8.1.4 database and have seen no problems with invalid UTF-8 sequences. So we're fairly happy that we can upgrade to 8.1.5 pretty easily using Slony. We're really looking for some extra performance right now. Are the differences between 8.1.5 and 8.2 significant? Is 8.2 more about speed or new features? John
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/20/06 10:09, John Sidney-Woollett wrote: > We're looking to upgrade from 7.4 - should we go to 8.1.5 or 8.2? > > We have two databases; 7.4.6 and 7.4.11 in a master slave config using > Slony. Both databases use the C locale with UTF-8 encoding on unix. > > We've dumped and loaded the data into an 8.1.4 database and have seen no > problems with invalid UTF-8 sequences. So we're fairly happy that we can > upgrade to 8.1.5 pretty easily using Slony. > > We're really looking for some extra performance right now. > > Are the differences between 8.1.5 and 8.2 significant? Is 8.2 more about > speed or new features? 8.2 is not released yet. Can you risk your app on beta software? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFOOk3S9HxQb37XmcRAmznAKCUDHP7Vh+RKOr8VLwfi/38ceucqwCfXW2M J1DNE9Ph7hgyBDWjjJUPWLI= =g5EN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
John Sidney-Woollett <johnsw@wardbrook.com> writes: > Are the differences between 8.1.5 and 8.2 significant? Is 8.2 more about > speed or new features? 8.2 is still all about beta testing. regards, tom lane
No I cannot risk live data... But I (think I) read that 8.2 was expected to go final in November/December. So my question was is it worth waiting for 8.2 final or to go with 8.1.5 now. I guess going with 8.1.5 is what we should do. Thanks John Ron Johnson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/20/06 10:09, John Sidney-Woollett wrote: >> We're looking to upgrade from 7.4 - should we go to 8.1.5 or 8.2? >> >> We have two databases; 7.4.6 and 7.4.11 in a master slave config using >> Slony. Both databases use the C locale with UTF-8 encoding on unix. >> >> We've dumped and loaded the data into an 8.1.4 database and have seen no >> problems with invalid UTF-8 sequences. So we're fairly happy that we can >> upgrade to 8.1.5 pretty easily using Slony. >> >> We're really looking for some extra performance right now. >> >> Are the differences between 8.1.5 and 8.2 significant? Is 8.2 more about >> speed or new features? > > 8.2 is not released yet. Can you risk your app on beta software? > > - -- > Ron Johnson, Jr. > Jefferson LA USA > > Is "common sense" really valid? > For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that > whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins > are mud people. > However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFOOk3S9HxQb37XmcRAmznAKCUDHP7Vh+RKOr8VLwfi/38ceucqwCfXW2M > J1DNE9Ph7hgyBDWjjJUPWLI= > =g5EN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org/
Is there a page that describes the new features/improvements between 8.1.5 and 8.2? I couldn't find one on the postgres website. If there aren't *big* performance gains between 8.1.5 and 8.2 then we'll go with 8.1.5 and leave the 8.2 upgrade till sometime next summer. John Tom Lane wrote: > John Sidney-Woollett <johnsw@wardbrook.com> writes: >> Are the differences between 8.1.5 and 8.2 significant? Is 8.2 more about >> speed or new features? > > 8.2 is still all about beta testing. > > regards, tom lane > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
John,
please read closely: Ron wrot "Can you risk your app on beta software?" ..
There is allways a risk included in basing an application on beta software, as programming interfaces may change.
BUT:
My experience is: you can trust your data to PostgreSQL. The elephant never forgets. I started developing an application using some obscure FTP-Download of some obscure 7.x Windows Port. I roled out to pilot users using PostgreSQL 8.0 beta on Windows. That 8.0 BETA was used by salesmen on laptops. And not a single byte was lost by PostreSQL.
NO, I do not recommend rolling out with 8.2beta; your way is perfectly sensible:
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No I cannot risk live data...
please read closely: Ron wrot "Can you risk your app on beta software?" ..
There is allways a risk included in basing an application on beta software, as programming interfaces may change.
BUT:
My experience is: you can trust your data to PostgreSQL. The elephant never forgets. I started developing an application using some obscure FTP-Download of some obscure 7.x Windows Port. I roled out to pilot users using PostgreSQL 8.0 beta on Windows. That 8.0 BETA was used by salesmen on laptops. And not a single byte was lost by PostreSQL.
NO, I do not recommend rolling out with 8.2beta; your way is perfectly sensible:
I guess going with 8.1.5 is what we should do.
Harald
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John Sidney-Woollett wrote: > Is there a page that describes the new features/improvements between > 8.1.5 and 8.2? I couldn't find one on the postgres website. > > If there aren't *big* performance gains between 8.1.5 and 8.2 then we'll > go with 8.1.5 and leave the 8.2 upgrade till sometime next summer. There are a lot of performance improvements. The release notes are here: http://momjian.us/main/writings/pgsql/sgml/release-8-2.html -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Thanks for the link - that was very useful. John Alvaro Herrera wrote: > John Sidney-Woollett wrote: >> Is there a page that describes the new features/improvements between >> 8.1.5 and 8.2? I couldn't find one on the postgres website. >> >> If there aren't *big* performance gains between 8.1.5 and 8.2 then we'll >> go with 8.1.5 and leave the 8.2 upgrade till sometime next summer. > > There are a lot of performance improvements. > > The release notes are here: > > http://momjian.us/main/writings/pgsql/sgml/release-8-2.html >
On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 16:09 +0100, John Sidney-Woollett wrote: > We're looking to upgrade from 7.4 - should we go to 8.1.5 or 8.2? > I think the biggest question is whether your deployment can wait for the stable release of 8.2, including possible delays. Also, of course, check out the release notes to see if there's anything you're interested in. If not, probably 8.1 is the way to go because it will be more stable for some time. Either way, try out your application on the 8.2 betas. Testing the beta helps everyone. Regards, Jeff Davis
From what I've seen 8.2 is going to offer several nice new features, but I would move to 8.1.5 for now. Honestly, I would probably wait until 8.2.1 is available before moving to that subversion. No offense against the PG team, but I've been burned by zeroes once too many times to go live with 8.2.0. -- Brandon Aiken CS/IT Systems Engineer -----Original Message----- From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of John Sidney-Woollett Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:10 AM To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: [GENERAL] Upgrade 7.4 to 8.1 or 8.2? We're looking to upgrade from 7.4 - should we go to 8.1.5 or 8.2? We have two databases; 7.4.6 and 7.4.11 in a master slave config using Slony. Both databases use the C locale with UTF-8 encoding on unix. We've dumped and loaded the data into an 8.1.4 database and have seen no problems with invalid UTF-8 sequences. So we're fairly happy that we can upgrade to 8.1.5 pretty easily using Slony. We're really looking for some extra performance right now. Are the differences between 8.1.5 and 8.2 significant? Is 8.2 more about speed or new features? John ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
On 10/20/06, John Sidney-Woollett <johnsw@wardbrook.com> wrote: > We're looking to upgrade from 7.4 - should we go to 8.1.5 or 8.2? > > We have two databases; 7.4.6 and 7.4.11 in a master slave config using > Slony. Both databases use the C locale with UTF-8 encoding on unix. > > We've dumped and loaded the data into an 8.1.4 database and have seen no > problems with invalid UTF-8 sequences. So we're fairly happy that we can > upgrade to 8.1.5 pretty easily using Slony. > > We're really looking for some extra performance right now. > > Are the differences between 8.1.5 and 8.2 significant? Is 8.2 more about > speed or new features? I've been developing against 8.2 for months without a single 8.2 specific problem. I run both linux and windows in high load environments (not so much windows these days tho). I'm going to go against the grain here and say go for it: yes, it is faster. It's up to you to determine a test period long enough to build up a trust level. possible downsides: * catalog changes during beta period. (dump/reload to update to 8.2 proper, etc). * last minute feature change. note recent small change in insert returning as an example. * risk of undiscovered bug ideally, i'd develop/test vs. 8.2 beta, and switch production system at 8.2 release. merlin
Thanks for the info. I think that we'll move to 8.1.5 first, and then 8.2 when it's stable. We have to keep our test and production systems in sync (version-wise). John Merlin Moncure wrote: > I've been developing against 8.2 for months without a single 8.2 > specific problem. I run both linux and windows in high load > environments (not so much windows these days tho). I'm going to go > against the grain here and say go for it: yes, it is faster. It's up > to you to determine a test period long enough to build up a trust > level. > > possible downsides: > * catalog changes during beta period. (dump/reload to update to 8.2 > proper, etc). > * last minute feature change. note recent small change in insert > returning as an example. > * risk of undiscovered bug > > ideally, i'd develop/test vs. 8.2 beta, and switch production system > at 8.2 release. > > merlin