Thread: CMS - portal server Question
Hi, i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server. I have seen/installed/tested : Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable but not what we want) OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to pay to get anything more than the basic Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude that there are 10ths of open source tools that do content management. Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them. Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but biased views. So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family as the ones working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you about your experience in this field. Since we dont consider interfering with the DB backend in our immediate future intentions, MySQL will be just as good for us. Ofcourse i prefer postgresql for our applications, but if lets say opencms started supporting postgresql just a month ago, then postgresql will not be as strong a candidate in that case. In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent to interfere with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it will be the one selected. Thanx Achilleas Mantzios.
Hi Achilleas Achilleas Mantzios wrote: > Hi, > i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server. > > I have seen/installed/tested : > > Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable > Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work > Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable but not what > we want) > OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to pay to get > anything more than the basic > > Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude that there > are 10ths of > open source tools that do content management. > Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them. > Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but biased > views. > > So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family as the > ones > working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you about your > experience > in this field. > [...] You can check both Alfresco and Jahia. Both systems use Hibernate for O/R mapping, so there is no problem with PostgreSQL backend. Sergiusz
Hi, Another good CMS, IMHO, is drupal (http://drupal.org/). It works well with PostgreSQL, and we use it successfully at http://www.PostgreSQLFr.org/. It's stable and maintained, the dev team releases new versions often, and there are a lot of pluggable modules ( http://drupal.org/project/Modules) to enhace it and make it suitable for your needs. There are also many themes available (http://drupal.org/project/Themes) for you to have it look like you want really quickly. It supports many languages and has a lot of great features I couldn't write down on this list, since there are so much, just take a look at it: http://drupal.org/features I think drupal is defenitely a solution you have to consider. Cheers, PS: do not cross-post -- Jean-Paul Argudo www.dalibo.com www.PostgreSQLFr.org
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 12:07 +0300, Achilleas Mantzios wrote: <snip> > In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent to interfere > with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it will be the > one selected. Take a look at eZpublish (http://ez.no). Killer PHP app, supports PostgreSQL. Or maybe Drupal or a derivative (http://drupal.org). Andy
On 25/08/2006, at 7:07 PM, Achilleas Mantzios wrote: > Hi, > i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server. > > I have seen/installed/tested : > > Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable > Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work > Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable > but not what > we want) > OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to > pay to get > anything more than the basic > > Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude > that there > are 10ths of > open source tools that do content management. > Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them. > Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but > biased > views. > > So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family > as the > ones > working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you > about your > experience > in this field. > > Since we dont consider interfering with the DB backend in our > immediate future > intentions, MySQL will be just as good for us. > Ofcourse i prefer postgresql for our applications, but if lets say > opencms > started supporting postgresql just a month ago, then postgresql > will not be > as strong a candidate in that case. > > In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent > to interfere > with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it > will be the > one selected. > > Thanx > > Achilleas Mantzios. Try plone. http://plone.org/ Fantastic CRM system. I realise you have a preference for Java/PHP but this is well worth a look. Python is a great language to work with - very powerful. "By default, Plone stores its contents in Zope's built in transactional object database, the ZODB. There are products and techniques, however, to share information with other sources, such as relational databases, LDAP, filesystem files, etc." from http:// plone.org/about/plone Good luck ------------------------------------------------- Mark Matthews General Manager Object Craft Pty Ltd Phone: +61 3 9654 9099 http://www.object-craft.com.au
I think that PHP will be were you are at. The Java route in the WEB world is just too much code for too little benefit. It's fine for big apps, but frankly, for web environments it's very top-heavy. Modern scripting languages walk all over it. And yes, I do actually love working in Java, I am very much in the Java camp. I wouldn't use anything other than Postgres for production level services. MySQL is great, but very lightweight and isn't really up to real world applications. It's a data repository rather than a proper database. Postgres is where you need to be if only because of the extensive security and restictions that you can implement in schemas, views and triggers. It is also extremely robust, scales excellently and has a huge array of back end programming options. Try looking at these: http://plone.org/ http://www.infrae.com/ Your problem comes when you try to integrate with Groupware. Things break down in the complete lifecycle part - i.e. interfacing to a proper accounting and billing system with proper account handling, etc. Best, Brad Achilleas Mantzios wrote: > Hi, > i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server. > > I have seen/installed/tested : > > Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable > Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work > Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable but not what > we want) > OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to pay to get > anything more than the basic > > Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude that there > are 10ths of > open source tools that do content management. > Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them. > Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but biased > views. > > So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family as the > ones > working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you about your > experience > in this field. > > Since we dont consider interfering with the DB backend in our immediate future > intentions, MySQL will be just as good for us. > Ofcourse i prefer postgresql for our applications, but if lets say opencms > started supporting postgresql just a month ago, then postgresql will not be > as strong a candidate in that case. > > In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent to interfere > with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it will be the > one selected. > > Thanx > > Achilleas Mantzios. > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > >
<shamelessprojectplug> PHP and Java are not the only options. My project, mojoPortal, is written in C# and runs under .NET on windows or Mono on nix It works with PostgreSQL or MySQL (or MS SQL or SQLite) Worth a look: http://www.mojoportal.com </shamelessprojectplug> joe_audette [at] yahoo dotcom http://www.joeaudette.com http://www.mojoportal.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Bradley Kieser <brad@kieser.net> To: Achilleas Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> Cc: pgsql-jdbc@postgresql.org; pgsql-general@postgresql.org; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:48:17 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] [ADMIN] CMS - portal server Question I think that PHP will be were you are at. The Java route in the WEB world is just too much code for too little benefit. It's fine for big apps, but frankly, for web environments it's very top-heavy. Modern scripting languages walk all over it. And yes, I do actually love working in Java, I am very much in the Java camp. I wouldn't use anything other than Postgres for production level services. MySQL is great, but very lightweight and isn't really up to real world applications. It's a data repository rather than a proper database. Postgres is where you need to be if only because of the extensive security and restictions that you can implement in schemas, views and triggers. It is also extremely robust, scales excellently and has a huge array of back end programming options. Try looking at these: http://plone.org/ http://www.infrae.com/ Your problem comes when you try to integrate with Groupware. Things break down in the complete lifecycle part - i.e. interfacing to a proper accounting and billing system with proper account handling, etc. Best, Brad Achilleas Mantzios wrote: > Hi, > i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server. > > I have seen/installed/tested : > > Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable > Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work > Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable but not what > we want) > OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to pay to get > anything more than the basic > > Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude that there > are 10ths of > open source tools that do content management. > Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them. > Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but biased > views. > > So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family as the > ones > working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you about your > experience > in this field. > > Since we dont consider interfering with the DB backend in our immediate future > intentions, MySQL will be just as good for us. > Ofcourse i prefer postgresql for our applications, but if lets say opencms > started supporting postgresql just a month ago, then postgresql will not be > as strong a candidate in that case. > > In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent to interfere > with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it will be the > one selected. > > Thanx > > Achilleas Mantzios. > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match