Thread: Mailing list setup issue
It seems that all the postgresql mailing lists don't allow you to automatically reply to the list only the sender. I don't get this with all my other mailings list. Who I contact to have this rectified? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Chris Velevitch wrote: > It seems that all the postgresql mailing lists don't allow you to > automatically reply to the list only the sender. I don't get this with > all my other mailings list. Who I contact to have this rectified? What do you mean? Do you mean a Reply-To: header added? If so, check out the help docs, but there is a 'set replyto' you can add that will have it added for your email address, without affecting everyone that doesn't want it ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Chris Velevitch wrote: > It seems that all the postgresql mailing lists don't allow you to > automatically reply to the list only the sender. I don't get this > with all my other mailings list. Who I contact to have this > rectified? Done on purpose. Use "reply to all". -- Guy Rouillier
On 4/27/06, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> wrote: > What do you mean? Do you mean a Reply-To: header added? If so, check out > the help docs, but there is a 'set replyto' you can add that will have it > added for your email address, without affecting everyone that doesn't want > it ... help docs? There are help documents on the mailing list system that used by postgresql.org? The only help documents I can find is http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ that only talks about postgresql. Where do I find these mailing list help documents. I didn't anyone can just go and change the postgresql.org mailing list software configuration? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au
On 4/27/06, Guy Rouillier <guyr@masergy.com> wrote: > Done on purpose. Use "reply to all". Isn't that a bad habit to get into? There's been a lot of press about people who habitually reply all. Besides, isn't the point of a mailing list is that it's a global public discussion on a topic in which all subscribers can 'listen in' on the discussion. You never know what useful information can be obtained from seeing the full discussion. In addition, it's not the norm. I subscribe to lots of mailing lists and postgresql.org lists are the only ones that I've seem do that. So what's the reasoning behind this choice? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Chris Velevitch wrote: > In addition, it's not the norm. I subscribe to lots of mailing lists > and postgresql.org lists are the only ones that I've seem do that. > > So what's the reasoning behind this choice? > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Kris Jurka
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:34:11PM +1000, Chris Velevitch wrote: > In addition, it's not the norm. I subscribe to lots of mailing lists > and postgresql.org lists are the only ones that I've seem do that. > > So what's the reasoning behind this choice? All sorts of reasons. One of the main ones being that list servers are sometimes slow and this delay can harm useful discussions. This way a group can have a useful discussion with quick replies and the list server will catchup sometime later. Fortunatly we have a mailing list manager that allows you to choose which way you want it. Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org> http://svana.org/kleptog/ > From each according to his ability. To each according to his ability to litigate.
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On 4/27/06, Kris Jurka <books@ejurka.com> wrote: > > In addition, it's not the norm. I subscribe to lots of mailing lists > > and postgresql.org lists are the only ones that I've seem do that. > > > > So what's the reasoning behind this choice? > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html The author of that articles states:- "One day I accidentally sent a private, personal reply out over one of my own damn lists." It's like he accidentally drove down a one way street in the wrong direction, so he now drives everywhere in reverse, just in case it happens again. He obviously got surprised by that, in the "Principle of Least Surprise", it surprises me to find only one person gets my response. This article is 4 years old and he is unix user who prefers elm as a mail reader. I'm fine with his choice, but I use 3 mailer readers (gmail, outlook, opera) and none of them have a the same features as elm. I think it's an inappropriate choice given the current norms. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au
On 4/27/06, Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org> wrote: > Fortunatly we have a mailing list manager that allows you to choose > which way you want it. Please explain what you mean by this? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 06:59:19PM +1000, Chris Velevitch wrote: > On 4/27/06, Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org> wrote: > > Fortunatly we have a mailing list manager that allows you to choose > > which way you want it. > > Please explain what you mean by this? Go to the archives: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/ Select "To subscribe or unsubscribe" Goto "Sign-in" and Sign in Goto "Unsubscribe or Change Settings" and tick (I beleive) replyto. Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org> http://svana.org/kleptog/ > From each according to his ability. To each according to his ability to litigate.
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On 4/27/06, Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org> wrote: > Go to the archives: > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/ > > Select "To subscribe or unsubscribe" > > Goto "Sign-in" and Sign in > > Goto "Unsubscribe or Change Settings" and tick (I beleive) replyto. > > Have a nice day, Thanks for that information. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au
Chris Velevitch wrote: > On 4/27/06, Guy Rouillier <guyr@masergy.com> wrote: >> Done on purpose. Use "reply to all". > > Isn't that a bad habit to get into? There's been a lot of press about > people who habitually reply all. > > Besides, isn't the point of a mailing list is that it's a global > public discussion on a topic in which all subscribers can 'listen in' > on the discussion. You never know what useful information can be > obtained from seeing the full discussion. > > In addition, it's not the norm. I subscribe to lots of mailing lists > and postgresql.org lists are the only ones that I've seem do that. > > So what's the reasoning behind this choice? Look, this really has become a religious issue. There are list that do it both ways. Let's not waste anymore bandwidth on the list with it. Learn to live with the way the list is setup. -- Until later, Geoffrey Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. - Benjamin Franklin
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 17:34:11 +1000, Chris Velevitch <chris.velevitch@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/27/06, Guy Rouillier <guyr@masergy.com> wrote: > > Done on purpose. Use "reply to all". > > Isn't that a bad habit to get into? There's been a lot of press about > people who habitually reply all. Reply all is the normal thing to do. If people don't want the extra copies they can use mail-followup-to headers to indicate that (or on majordomo lists such as used here, you can have the list server not send you copies when you address is copied on replies). By replying to all, it leaves the recipient the option to handle the mail differently when they are cc'd. > Besides, isn't the point of a mailing list is that it's a global > public discussion on a topic in which all subscribers can 'listen in' > on the discussion. You never know what useful information can be > obtained from seeing the full discussion. That's why you are supposed to do a reply all unless you have some specific reason not to. (e.g. a thank you response that doesn't add to the discussion). Also note that nonmembers can post to the lists (though a moderator needs to approve their messages), so you aren't even guarenteed that a poster is on the list. > > In addition, it's not the norm. I subscribe to lots of mailing lists > and postgresql.org lists are the only ones that I've seem do that. They are probably nontechnical lists. Most lists that I subscribe to don't have broken reply-to headers. (And when they do, I have my mail filter remove them, but that still prevents their normal use.) > > So what's the reasoning behind this choice? It breaks the normal use of reply-to.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 17:22:09 +1000, Chris Velevitch <chris.velevitch@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/27/06, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> wrote: > > What do you mean? Do you mean a Reply-To: header added? If so, check out > > the help docs, but there is a 'set replyto' you can add that will have it > > added for your email address, without affecting everyone that doesn't want > > it ... > > help docs? There are help documents on the mailing list system that > used by postgresql.org? The only help documents I can find is > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ that only talks about postgresql. > Where do I find these mailing list help documents. I didn't anyone can > just go and change the postgresql.org mailing list software > configuration? While this should be documented more obviously on the mailing list pages, you can get documentation by sending email to the mailing list server. (It would be nice if the nonchanging information were available as web pages - hint hint.) Send a message to majordomo@postgresql.org with a body of: help That will get you started.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 18:44:25 +1000, Chris Velevitch <chris.velevitch@gmail.com> wrote: > > "One day I accidentally sent a private, personal reply out over one of > my own damn lists." > > It's like he accidentally drove down a one way street in the wrong > direction, so he now drives everywhere in reverse, just in case it > happens again. He obviously got surprised by that, in the "Principle > of Least Surprise", it surprises me to find only one person gets my > response. The cost of sending a reply to only one person by mistake is almost always going to b relatively low. The cost of accidentally replying to everyone will often be relatively high, so it makes sense to use a system that trades off probability of replying to all by mistake for probability of replying to just the sender by mistake. But you are correct, that isn't a great reason to determine how lists operate. The real reason is that it breaks the use of the preexisting reply-to header and even though that header is rarely used, mailing lists shouldn't be replacing it. > This article is 4 years old and he is unix user who prefers elm as a > mail reader. I'm fine with his choice, but I use 3 mailer readers > (gmail, outlook, opera) and none of them have a the same features as > elm. > > I think it's an inappropriate choice given the current norms. Your right, he should be using mutt.
"Chris Velevitch" <chris.velevitch@gmail.com> writes:
> In addition, it's not the norm. I subscribe to lots of mailing lists
> and postgresql.org lists are the only ones that I've seem do that.
You may think it's not the norm, but you're mistaken. This is how the
PG lists are run, as well as most other tech-savvy lists I belong to.
Get used to it, or at least learn to configure your subscription the way
you want it.
regards, tom lane